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Why Does The Universe Exist?

The only asnwer is; to support life within said Universe.
I don't think this is a question science is capable of answering at the moment, but I agree with your simple statement hear. After all would it matter that the universe existed if there was no one around to acknowledge it? It's almost as if life exists to acknowledge the universe's existence and the universe exists so that life can exist. And well if you prescribe to the 'Observer Effect' theory (as opposed to the pilot wave theory), it would suggest that perception does effect the external universe in some way.
 
I don't believe we have any evidence that the universe exists. For that matter, I don't believe the term ‘existence’ has a meaningful definition for universe-type objects yet. We don't even know what a universe is. In the real world, existence is granted to objects and phenomena within the universe that affect other objects and can observed through concurring sensory or instrumentation measurements, in the present; and even that's not an unofficial definition cause we don't have one. It completely loses meaning outside the bounds of our universe – assume there is different universe that follows its own independent timeline; that universe does not exist because its existence is not coincinding with our concept of ‘now’, and the verb was in the present tense (same for past or future). That's obviously an absurd conclusion, because we started with the assumption that this universe was there, hence it obviously must exist in the hypothetical. Therefore, our language and terminology aren't suited for talking about universes.

I believe that the existence of universe itself – an object of unknown and unstudied family and origin – requires a meaning that goes beyond ‘it encompasses everything that exists in our terms, hence it exists’. Particularly given that this is a very narrow, self-centred view if you're going beyond the cosmic scale. You need existence defined in terms that set it apart from other hypothetical objects of its kind. One that lets you say ‘we're the only universe out there’, or ‘there could be other universes’. The first of those assertions, however, cannot be simply based on the impossibility to travel or observe any such universes – that too is Our Universe-centric, and would exclude the many-world interpretation of quantum mechanics. If we were to exclude our own observation of it as a criterion, however, we cannot make the determination for our own universe either (kind of untrue, because we are self-centred and we will pick a definition that we satisfy, even if another one was better).

The only competing definition of existence that I can think of is in mathematics, where any object that is possible under your system of axioms also exists under that system of axioms. Like, there exists an unilateral quadrangle because you could draw one, even before you drew it. The mathematical universe hypothesis (which should be renamed to ‘interpretation’ because it is no theory or a testable hypothesis), seems to apply that to universes, suggesting that all universes (whatever that is) exist because they are possible. That's not completely unreasonable – even if our universe wasn't there, placing our physical laws as axioms would, in one of the quantum branches of its existence, produce our exact thoughts, including this insane thread and this very crackpot post. Meaning we – including this crazy here – follows from the very basic rules of existence. To equate that with existence seems fine, if unusual.

Although it's kind of creepy. Are six-legged aliens watching me shower just because they brute forced our laws of physics? Ewww... I hereby whisper some things very offensive towards four-dimensional creatures, with no apologies because it was their fault they were spying on me.
 
By using Bayesian model averaging, which focuses on how likely a model is to be correct given the data, rather than asking how well the model itself fits the data. They found that the universe is at least 250 times larger than the observable universe, or at least 7 trillion light-years across.

https://www.space.com/24073-how-big-is-the-universe.html

Because each galaxy has a center the Universe would also have a center as well. Astronomy isn't able to pinpoint the center of the Universe because, well 3.5 trillion light years is a really big distance to have to peer through all of the objects creating light that would obscure even the most powerful telescopes ability to accurately detail the observable night sky at such a distance.

But we can see apply relative associations between the Universe and life.

First lets look at minerals. Minerals will never consume energy and then expand and reproduce. Water will never consume energy and then expand and reproduce. All of the elements on the Periodic Table of elements are inanimate, meaning that they do not have their own thought processes but merely interact and react with each other based on chemical attributes that combines the atoms into molecular strands. Granted a mineral contains millions of molecular combination strands but regardless of how big the mineral composition builds up it will never actively consume energy and reproduce.

Every aspect of life, however small or great, consumes energy and rearranges the various atoms from the Periodic Table of Elements for its own need which has created the diversity of life.

The key factor that is present between life in general and the Big Bang is that life consumes energy, then expands and reproduces.

The Big Bang also had to have consumed energy then expanded and produced life as well. The Universe is thought to be constantly expanding much like the stomach of a pregnant woman expands during her pregnancy. As the fetus inside intake more energy through its mother it grows or expands and is then born in a tumult of excitement for the both the doctors, the parents and the infant itself.

After the Big Bang the tumultuous excitement of quarks raced outwards combining together to form the basis of atoms that then formed the basis of the Universe and the celestial objects within the Universe.

The chemical compounds that then existed like I said above have no reason to want to consume energy or expand into something larger. They are merely energy that combines to create other forms of energy. Energy reacts to other forms of energy based on its composition. Take for instance a lightning bolt striking a rock. A random act of energy transferring between the lightning bolt and the energy of the rock. There was never any direct manipulation of the energy between the two states of energy directing their interaction.

But for life to exist energy needs to be directed precisely and exacting or life doesn't exist.

Like I stated before in order for both life and the Big Bang to have existed, the elements that created the Big Bang had to be directed precisely and exacting in order to create the elements of the Periodic Table of Elements that life is comprised of and needs to exist. If the Big Bang is merely like the lightning strike and the rock, a transfer of energy between two states, then neither the lightning strike nor the rock would exist because they are energy. Energy does not have a need to do anything.

Life on the other hand has the need to transfer energy between two states in order for life to exist. Without life needing energy to transfer between two different states there is no existence of to the Universe.

Another interesting relative association is that in order for life of all forms to be life it must consume energy and expand and then produce. Such a blue print or a model could only have existed before the Big Bang in some Quantum storage device of the Universe. Every single aspect of life in the Universe begins at least 100,000 times smaller than its eventual size. Humans start out as microscopic cells that consume energy and then grow and expand into a full grown human being. Lions and tigers and bears.....dolphins, ants, trees, flowers and even the virus all come from cells that small. The Big Bang also came from a smaller cell as well that then expanded into a 7 trillion light-years across entity.

Science has stated that life came after the Big Bang. But how would life know how to consume energy, expand and reproduce if it came after the initial event that created life? If you follow the belief that life came after the Big Bang then the Universe is the womb of the mother that we are consuming energy and expanding in.

But just like the fetus in the mother's womb is to life in the womb of the Universe where is the umbilical cord or the transfer of the set of directions from the Big Bang traveling through the Universe to instruct DNA and RNA to use the elements of the Periodic Table to build life? There would have to be a connection to the Big Bang and life on Earth much the same as there is a connection between the mother and developing fetus.

If we roll back the connection above to the point at which the Big Bang took place there has to be an umbilical cord between the Big Bang and the Mother of our Universe in order for the transfer of instructions that directed the energy of the Big Bang to expand outwards in such a manner that allowed humans and other life to exist in the Universe.

The premise above folds over on itself into the infinite paradox but would confirm at least that in order for life to have existed a specific set of instructions would have been necessary to create the Big Bang.

Therefore life created the Universe in order to consume energy, expand and reproduce. Only life would have the ability or need to accurately direct specific sets of instructions to create an energy transfer between two states. Such a specific set of instructions would include the Big Bang.

Two rocks however will never transfer energy between their two states nor do they have a need to do so.
 
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God though maybe God isn't even a lifeform but a unknown form of existence. Infinite existence without any sentient element involved to give anything purpose other than to endure and keep existing.

Jason
 
Esse est percipi.
Wow that's funny! I remember when I was 7 0r 8 years old I would wonder if everything does exists or stay the same way when you're not looking at it. Like when you walked out of a room turned off the lights closed the door how could you know with certainty that it was still there? The thought would freak me out so much that I was very quick to leave an empty dark room, or I would otherwise turn around real quick to see if I could catch a glimpse of the 'void.' So I'm pretty floored to learn about some Philosopher Bishop some 200 odd years prior came to the same conclusion as 8 year old me. :wtf:

But that's not exactly what I mean, I guess what I was trying to propose (although I don't know if I believe it, or any of the arguments here I mean from a scientific standpoint they're all fair game, seeing as they can't be proven or dis-proven as of yet) That perception and external reality both exits but are some how intertwined that there's a sort of circular logic to their nature. I suppose I should clarify that when I mean by perception or 'someone' around to acknowledge the universe I am being very vague, like bacteria reacting to a stimulus might suffice, although perhaps in order for the universe to be fully acknowledged it requires minds complex enough to understand it. The point I'm making is a philosophical one though. Suppose the universe was exactly the same, except there was in fact no life what so ever, no people no animals, plants, fungus, protozoa or bacteria, then everything would be inanimate unthinking, and unable to respond to the environment, well then who cares about it? No one, so then nothing might as well exist.

I don't believe we have any evidence that the universe exists. For that matter, I don't believe the term ‘existence’ has a meaningful definition for universe-type objects yet. We don't even know what a universe is. In the real world, existence is granted to objects and phenomena within the universe that affect other objects and can observed through concurring sensory or instrumentation measurements, in the present; and even that's not an unofficial definition cause we don't have one. It completely loses meaning outside the bounds of our universe – assume there is different universe that follows its own independent timeline; that universe does not exist because its existence is not coincinding with our concept of ‘now’, and the verb was in the present tense (same for past or future). That's obviously an absurd conclusion, because we started with the assumption that this universe was there, hence it obviously must exist in the hypothetical. Therefore, our language and terminology aren't suited for talking about universes.

I believe that the existence of universe itself – an object of unknown and unstudied family and origin – requires a meaning that goes beyond ‘it encompasses everything that exists in our terms, hence it exists’. Particularly given that this is a very narrow, self-centred view if you're going beyond the cosmic scale. You need existence defined in terms that set it apart from other hypothetical objects of its kind. One that lets you say ‘we're the only universe out there’, or ‘there could be other universes’. The first of those assertions, however, cannot be simply based on the impossibility to travel or observe any such universes – that too is Our Universe-centric, and would exclude the many-world interpretation of quantum mechanics. If we were to exclude our own observation of it as a criterion, however, we cannot make the determination for our own universe either (kind of untrue, because we are self-centred and we will pick a definition that we satisfy, even if another one was better).

The only competing definition of existence that I can think of is in mathematics, where any object that is possible under your system of axioms also exists under that system of axioms. Like, there exists an unilateral quadrangle because you could draw one, even before you drew it. The mathematical universe hypothesis (which should be renamed to ‘interpretation’ because it is no theory or a testable hypothesis), seems to apply that to universes, suggesting that all universes (whatever that is) exist because they are possible. That's not completely unreasonable – even if our universe wasn't there, placing our physical laws as axioms would, in one of the quantum branches of its existence, produce our exact thoughts, including this insane thread and this very crackpot post. Meaning we – including this crazy here – follows from the very basic rules of existence. To equate that with existence seems fine, if unusual.

Although it's kind of creepy. Are six-legged aliens watching me shower just because they brute forced our laws of physics? Ewww... I hereby whisper some things very offensive towards four-dimensional creatures, with no apologies because it was their fault they were spying on me.

Fascinating post but I think you're essentially asking a totally different but no less interesting and hard to answer question. I think Dyson (who can correct me if I'm wrong) is more asking if there's any purpose to the existence of everything that we know of or can conceive of, which is usually in the English language referred to as the uni-verse, which might also be described as the ultimate enclosed system? At least in the sense, that it has physical constants and laws that govern it, and it has energy contained within it that cannot be destroyed. What you're asking is what exactly is a universe, if there are more of them, and if such things encompasses all existence or even if existence actually exists and how if at all possible can we define it outside the boundaries of time? If we were to ascribe a word or for what your describing, I think I might go with the Tao, which in Eastern philosophy is a sort of all encompassing term, everything and nothing at once. But even if we wanted to go this broad the original question remains. Suppose the universe in nothing but mathematical probabilities and somewhere at some point, everything that is possible is, does, and will happen? Under what formulae is it determined what is possible even hypothetically, and more importantly why is there such a thing as math and logic, if nothing was around to crunch the numbers?
 
Not to be all doom and gloom but i don't think the human species will last long enough to even come close to answering this question, i personally feel that the human race will have become extint long before we even get close to understanding the universe and why it is here as i think our time is so limited by so many many factors that we will never be able to answer it in the allotted time we have.
 
Not to be all doom and gloom but i don't think the human species will last long enough to even come close to answering this question, i personally feel that the human race will have become extint long before we even get close to understanding the universe and why it is here as i think our time is so limited by so many many factors that we will never be able to answer it in the allotted time we have.

What if the universe is so complex that it can never be answered. Even if you have a God that God doesn't even understand itself.

Jason
 
^^^Yeap, even if we as a race had unlimited time it might be a question that can never be answered, the universe might just be that big and complex that no amount of time will ever be enough to answer that question. :eek:
 
I'm not sure that the reason for the existence of the universe is a question that science is equipped to answer. That's more the realm of philosophy or religion, in my opinion. Science is more aimed at discovering the how rather than the why.
 
I'm not sure that the reason for the existence of the universe is a question that science is equipped to answer. That's more the realm of philosophy or religion, in my opinion. Science is more aimed at discovering the how rather than the why.

Aren't those basically the same? If you look at humans on earth don't you want to know why they think the things they do and not just the basic engineering of how the human body works if how the human body works influences how they think? When you see a horny human you know why they want to have sex and also how it happens as well.

Jason
 
I say i say i say, Why does god needs a starship?
I don't know, why does god need a stardhip?
Because you don't need to know you puny things. :evil:
 
Wow that's funny! I remember when I was 7 0r 8 years old I would wonder if everything does exists or stay the same way when you're not looking at it. Like when you walked out of a room turned off the lights closed the door how could you know with certainty that it was still there? The thought would freak me out so much that I was very quick to leave an empty dark room, or I would otherwise turn around real quick to see if I could catch a glimpse of the 'void.' So I'm pretty floored to learn about some Philosopher Bishop some 200 odd years prior came to the same conclusion as 8 year old me. :wtf:

But that's not exactly what I mean, I guess what I was trying to propose (although I don't know if I believe it, or any of the arguments here I mean from a scientific standpoint they're all fair game, seeing as they can't be proven or dis-proven as of yet) That perception and external reality both exits but are some how intertwined that there's a sort of circular logic to their nature. I suppose I should clarify that when I mean by perception or 'someone' around to acknowledge the universe I am being very vague, like bacteria reacting to a stimulus might suffice, although perhaps in order for the universe to be fully acknowledged it requires minds complex enough to understand it. The point I'm making is a philosophical one though. Suppose the universe was exactly the same, except there was in fact no life what so ever, no people no animals, plants, fungus, protozoa or bacteria, then everything would be inanimate unthinking, and unable to respond to the environment, well then who cares about it? No one, so then nothing might as well exist.



Fascinating post but I think you're essentially asking a totally different but no less interesting and hard to answer question. I think Dyson (who can correct me if I'm wrong) is more asking if there's any purpose to the existence of everything that we know of or can conceive of, which is usually in the English language referred to as the uni-verse, which might also be described as the ultimate enclosed system? At least in the sense, that it has physical constants and laws that govern it, and it has energy contained within it that cannot be destroyed. What you're asking is what exactly is a universe, if there are more of them, and if such things encompasses all existence or even if existence actually exists and how if at all possible can we define it outside the boundaries of time? If we were to ascribe a word or for what your describing, I think I might go with the Tao, which in Eastern philosophy is a sort of all encompassing term, everything and nothing at once. But even if we wanted to go this broad the original question remains. Suppose the universe in nothing but mathematical probabilities and somewhere at some point, everything that is possible is, does, and will happen? Under what formulae is it determined what is possible even hypothetically, and more importantly why is there such a thing as math and logic, if nothing was around to crunch the numbers?

There has to be a purpose to the Universe. The only seemingly logical purpose to me is contain life in the womb of the Universe and support and raise such life.

But for what purpose?

I first thought that maybe the Universe existed as viewable event that the Universe through our eyes could perceive through us to possibly build a better Universe the next time around.

People asked Edison how it felt to fail 1,000 times when creating the light bulb. Edison replied "I didn't fail1,000 times. I merely took 1,000 steps to perfect the light bulb."

So could each new life that comes into the Universe be one of those 1,000 steps in creating a perfect species?

Or is there something else going on that our Universe needed us to exist for in order to defend against something trying to attack center of Universes own existence?

Bucket o' tears for the diaper dunked.

I would say this discussion is more along the lines of Relative Association Philosophy
or considered in relation or in proportion to something else (Relative), a weak form of chemical bonding involving aggregation of molecules of the same compound (Association). Basically, all molecules will be in proportion to something else so that a weak form of a chemical bonding aggregates the molecules of the same compound.

Suppose the universe in nothing but mathematical probabilities and somewhere at some point, everything that is possible is, does, and will happen? Under what formulae is it determined what is possible even hypothetically, and more importantly why is there such a thing as math and logic, if nothing was around to crunch the numbers?

Math has shown us that precise distances between quarks create atoms. If there was no direction behind such relative associations prior to the Big Bang and across infinity as well then random energy variations would not create molecules that form weak bonding's that aggregates the molecules of the same compound.

The notion of the Universe being "It just is what it is" is a random variable that does not logically fulfill RAP and would allude to irrational and random thoughts that would align with similar irrational and random energy structures aggregating molecules of the same compound.

Rather a purposeful and directed energy structure would be needed to aggregate molecules of the same compound or atoms would be able to be constantly detected as coming into and going out of existence at a rather constant rate.
 
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The question of why there is anything at all is a metaphysical one that philosophers have debated for thousands of years:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_why_there_is_anything_at_all

A Universe from Nothing: Why There Is Something Rather than Nothing
by Lawrence Krauss encapsulates my philosophical leanings on the issue:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Universe_from_Nothing

I don't believe mathematics underpins everything in reality like Max Tegmark proposes in Our Mathematical Universe:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Mathematical_Universe

Instead, I suspect that mathematics is a wholly human invention that happens to model symbolically empirically revealed aspects of the cosmos rather well, as described by Fisher Information:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._Roy_Frieden#Work_on_Fisher_information_in_Physics
 
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