Why Doctor Who is a MESS

[Gingerbread Demon]

I don't care to watch that video because the internet is flooded with raging anti Jodie videos of people who seem slightly salty that a woman is playing the part of The Doctor, and Jodie did a wonderful job. I won't blame her if the scripts were uneven and sometimes shitty. She is still The Doctor and I will watch the next series.

Donna Noble was the best recent companion and I love Donna Noble, and am a recent convert to Amy Pond.

 

[Gavin70]

I think I gave up the Rama trilogy in the third book, largely because of the sex, because Clarke...wasn’t like Asimov.

The Rama trilogy - those after the original book, weren't really written by Clarke. He got a co-author title, but his contribution was basically the original idea plus a bit of feedback on the story idea. It was basically just him franchising his work out to another author.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

I've found some really good stuff on YT, such as how-tos for various things I want to know how to do, a complete walk-through for the computer game I'm adapting to novel form (it was very handy to have the entire script available without having to replay the entire game), there are lots of great documentaries, and years and years of episodes of some of my favorite older TV shows.

That goes the same for me.

Reviews are a very subjective thing. I am probably going to unsubscribe from one of the channels where the person reviews The Handmaid's Tale, as it's turned into a hatefest against "privileged white women" just because the latest character to be killed off was black. The people doing this ranting have either never read the novel or they've completely missed the point of it and the show..

That happening is mostly because the people behind the show themselves deliberately jettisoned the part from the novel (and the 1990 movie) about Rutherford and his comrades being hateful of minorities and having decided that no American of color was to exist in Gilead, and that they were/ are to be killed off/exiled to camps where they were/are to be worked to death handling toxic materials, all in a bid to have diversity on the show when there was NONE in the novel or previous adaptation; it isn't completely the fault of the reviewer but it's also the fault of the production staff and showrunner/writers for caving in to the current demand for diversity in all TV shows and movies even when it was made clear in the original source of some of these movies and TV series that people of color don't exist for reasons mentioned in the narrative of said original source. This kind of thing annoys me, a black man who's read the original, as well, and makes me wonder how the The Wachowskis would've been able to make V for Vendetta if it was being made now rather than in 2005.

 

[Jedman67]

Take this with a grain of salt, but there is a rumor that Chibnall and Whittaker are leaving the show.
The BBC stated that the above rumor is false.
https://cosmicbook.news/doctor-who-chris-chibnall-jody-whittaker-rumor
I enjoyed the first couple of episodes in the series, hadn't gotten a chance to finish it.

 

[EnderAKH]

Take this with a grain of salt, but there is a rumor that Chibnall and Whittaker are leaving the show.
The BBC stated that the above rumor is false.
https://cosmicbook.news/doctor-who-chris-chibnall-jody-whittaker-rumor
I enjoyed the first couple of episodes in the series, hadn't gotten a chance to finish it.

I find generally Cosmic Book News reprehensible as a source. They are an "anti-SJW" site that only publishes stories that fit their "TLJ sucks and was horrible, and Chibnall/Whitaker are awful, and girls are stinky, and comics shouldn't be inclusive" narrative.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Cosmicbooknews is the same site that said Captain Marvel was anti-male because the movie showed Nick Fury doing dishes.

 

[Professor Zoom]

Take this with a grain of salt, but there is a rumor that Chibnall and Whittaker are leaving the show.
The BBC stated that the above rumor is false.
https://cosmicbook.news/doctor-who-chris-chibnall-jody-whittaker-rumor
I enjoyed the first couple of episodes in the series, hadn't gotten a chance to finish it.

Wish fulfillment masquerading as news.

 

[jaime]

At the moment it’s an oddly detailed rumour of many parts, currently debunked by another ‘my sources’ Radio Times comment.
In true Moffat fashion, he has commented with a comment that can be read two ways. Though obvs he’s not involved directly anymore.

The rumoured new Doctor has me Mrs seal of approval.

 

[Jedman67]

Wish fulfillment masquerading as news.

*shrug* it popped up in my news feed; thought I'd pass it along.

 

[jaime]

Wish fulfillment masquerading as news.

It’s entirely likely people said that about The Doc In a Frock, Our Hero In Tights too.

 

[Professor Zoom]

It’s entirely likely people said that about The Doc In a Frock, Our Hero In Tights too.

Were they publishing opinion and desires and calling it fact?
Are you specifically referencing something?

 

[jaime]

Were they publishing opinion and desires and calling it fact?
Are you specifically referencing something?

Early rumours of a female doctor would have open to precisely that accusation. Basically...wait and see I guess.

And yes, I am specifically referencing a poem that appeared in old Doctor Who fanzines...Skaro I believe...in the early nineties, discussing in various articles the possibility of a female doctor. It had a rather touching story by a girl who went around dressing as Jon Pertwee, at least I think that was it.
I can google and see if the poem exists anywhere else.
It may have been The Matrix though.

 

[Professor Zoom]

Early rumours of a female doctor would have open to precisely that accusation. Basically...wait and see I guess.

Depends on how they were reported. "This is definitely happening!" is slightly different than, "There have been talks..." Or... "There are rumors..." Etc.

And yes, I am specifically referencing a poem that appeared in old Doctor Who fanzines...Skaro I believe...in the early nineties, discussing in various articles the possibility of a female doctor. It had a rather touching story by a girl who went around dressing as Jon Pertwee, at least I think that was it.
I can google and see if the poem exists anywhere else.
It may have been The Matrix though.

I didn't realize that poetry is held to the same standards as journalism.

 

[jaime]

Depends on how they were reported. "This is definitely happening!" is slightly different than, "There have been talks..." Or... "There are rumors..." Etc.



I didn't realize that poetry is held to the same standards as journalism.

I didn’t say it was. The line ‘a doc in a frock’ etc is from the poem. Pretty deep cut of a reference, mostly for my own amusement...but the point is, and was, that for years there would be rumours of a female doctor. And for years these would be repeated as fact. And for some that would be opinions and desires masquerading as fact, as you say.
Quite often they involved Joanna Lumley. Hence her casting in Curse Of The Fatal Death (rumours for every one of those actors had been around)

One day, the rumour turned out to be true.

So be careful to dismiss the masquerade, as you put it, because sometimes rumours aren’t.

I suspect this one is just a rumour, but I think the jury is out. I think the longest they will be out is til the end of the series, and if it is true, we may not even know that for years....it took a long time for the facts to come out about all sorts of other rumours (Ecclestone leaving, and then years for the facts around that. For instance.) Heck, I am so out of the loop I managed to miss the rumour stages on things that later turned out to be true, (the behind the scenes fracas around series 6 and 7) and some of the rumours I heard/saw mutated (the rumours around a story with pyramids and cyber men probably were true at a development stage, but eventually mutated into the multiparty stories we saw in series ten.) and others were revealed in short order. Who has an odd relationship with rumours.

 

[Professor Zoom]

I didn’t say it was. The line ‘a doc in a frock’ etc is from the poem. Pretty deep cut of a reference, mostly for my own amusement...but the point is, and was, that for years there would be rumours of a female doctor. And for years these would be repeated as fact. And for some that would be opinions and desires masquerading as fact, as you say.

I never saw them reported as fact, but, reported as rumors.

So be careful to dismiss the masquerade, as you put it, because sometimes rumours aren’t.

When a particular website is notorious for it's lack of journalism, yeah, I'm not worried.

I suspect this one is just a rumour, but I think the jury is out.

Really? You actually think there's something there... that Jodie and Chris quitting in the MIDDLE of production and NO ONE ELSE is reporting it... that somehow the BBC is keeping it quiet...

Uh huh. Yeah. The "jury" is out.

 

[jaime]

I never saw them reported as fact, but, reported as rumors.



When a particular website is notorious for it's lack of journalism, yeah, I'm not worried.



Really? You actually think there's something there... that Jodie and Chris quitting in the MIDDLE of production and NO ONE ELSE is reporting it... that somehow the BBC is keeping it quiet...

Uh huh. Yeah. The "jury" is out.

I skipped the website and went and had a poke around where the rumours were coming from instead. And the BBC is good at keeping quiet, especially about Who, except when it isn’t, especially about Who. I mean, according to rumours, it was cancelled in 1989, and no one ever proved or denied that either...

You can be all ‘Grr Me Man, You Fool!’ About it, but I have literally just given you examples of where these things have happened (and yes, there were plenty of ‘Actor Zed is the Doctor!’ Stories reported as fact, that weren’t true. Until there were ones that were true. Like ‘Casanova Star is the Doctor!’) and, it seems apparent, have a bit more experience in this area.

This rumour? Probably isn’t true. But is still well in the ‘might be true’ area. And is easy enough to carefully manage. Assuming it’s true...you get the next series out, under a caretaker working under a different job title (McTighe for instance as rumoured) if necessary you plop a surprise regeneration in (Horrible Histories chap, as mentioned.) and spin that as ‘aha you didn’t see that coming!’ (Which frankly, no, we wouldn’t have. Except now..) and thank Chris and Jodie for seeing out their three year tenure (announcement to the end of series, should it air in 2020, is near enough to three years as makes no odds) withe whatever interviews you can rustle up to save face. Truth doesn’t come out for years, a la Ecclestone.
If it’s true. Which it likely isn’t. It is very...detailed. And a tiny bit plausible, with echoes of the past in there. (The kerfuffle that led to series 10, the kerfuffle that led to split season 7, Heck, even Eric Saward fucking off midway through Trial of Timelord’s production, or the 85 hiatus. I have said we have been oddly reliving eighties who of late...I thought Jodie would be sylvester to Capaldis Colin, but maybe we just got two Colin’s and there is a sylvester to come.)

Until it’s shown to be untrue, or has a proper debunking, I think it’s interesting to wait and see. It’s certainly, as one person put it more or less ‘if true, it’s the most dramatic thing Chibnall has been involved with regarding Doctor Who’

 

[Noname Given]

Take this with a grain of salt, but there is a rumor that Chibnall and Whittaker are leaving the show.
The BBC stated that the above rumor is false.
https://cosmicbook.news/doctor-who-chris-chibnall-jody-whittaker-rumor
I enjoyed the first couple of episodes in the series, hadn't gotten a chance to finish it.

So the British have their own versions of Midnight (Idiot's) Edge and Nerdidiotic, eh?

 

[Professor Zoom]

I skipped the website and went and had a poke around where the rumours were coming from instead. And the BBC is good at keeping quiet, especially about Who, except when it isn’t, especially about Who. I mean, according to rumours, it was cancelled in 1989, and no one ever proved or denied that either...

Doctor Who is a world wide flagship show for the BBC. It would be incredibly newsworthy is the first female Doctor and the show runner quit in the middle of the second season.

There would be NO way in keeping quiet.

Things are a little different than 1989. There was no internet. No twitter.

 

[jaime]

Doctor Who is a world wide flagship show for the BBC. It would be incredibly newsworthy is the first female Doctor and the show runner quit in the middle of the second season.

There would be NO way in keeping quiet.

Things are a little different than 1989. There was no internet. No twitter.

Trust me when I say the BBC are past masters are keeping mum when there’s the potential for damage.
They have been around almost as long as MI5 and recruited from the same areas XD

 

[Professor Zoom]

Trust me when I say the BBC are past masters are keeping mum when there’s the potential for damage.
They have been around almost as long as MI5 and recruited from the same areas XD

Sure.