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Why Doctor Who is a MESS

Well see that is the problem isn't it? The fact that this whole new found emphasis on female empowerment at the expense of the male characters has led to writing as such, and that writing is now directed at a specific set of circumstances, of which do not lend to freedom of expression or thought, because the writers now have to confine their writing in a specific type of model. In doing so, they limit the ability to create good stories, in place of stories that are politically correct, or have themes in them. It's one thing to tell a good story. it's another to tell a story set around a particular POV and political theme. I think Science fiction works best when a story or morality play is told in a way that makes a statement without making an obvious statement, or is told in allegorical terms. Modern TV series tend to be more and more on the former side, and are suffering viewership because of it, and turning their IPs who used to appeal to everyone into a show or movie, or franchise that caters to only one segment of the populace. It's not a show for everyone, it's a show for only those who agree with the political message, and that is a recipe for dwindling numbers in any venue.

It's like the same for merchandise. If the producers of the show wanted to open up to more women, and still bring along the men, I still say they should have made the choice to keep the Doctor male, but missing from the universe. Set up a 3-4 year long stint with Jenny looking for her father, and assuming his title to keep the universe in fear of the Doctor still being around to stop all the villains out there. It would have brought along the men, and still made that appeal to the girls, and some of whom were Tenant fans back in the day, may have come along to see Jenny back in the series, whether briefly to regenerate into a new female time lord body, or to remain as herself while looking for her pops. In this way, everyone has what they wanted and no one is left out, nothing has changed to accommodate another.. What I am saying is, nothing is taken away from any fan really.. only added to it, and in the end it wouldn't have been such a big deal.

I imagine a little boy playing with his doctor who action figures, and the Doctor's daughter on the hunt for her father.. In his old raggedy TARDIS.. I can see boys and girls buying Jenny's action figure for that. Because in that case, their male identification with the lead of the show is still in tact. except for a very very small portion of the population there isn't that many boys or Men no matter how much the media and TV or commercials try to portray, that identify as female or feminine. It's just a fact that the biggest population of boys and men gravitate to strong male role models and leads. This is inherent in the human psyche as it is natural to want to have a role model that you have something in common with. Sarah Jane was a great female role model. Strong, independent, and smart. really smart. yet, she gets no praise or held up as an icon of feminism because she's not the new thing on the block, and to your point..
There have always been great female roles in Doctor who. (BUT NOT THE LEAD) which is what they always say.. and yea, that is the case, but the show has lasted 50 years on the air with a short hiatus.. and here now, after all that time, we are being told it was doing it wrong.. and yet now with the opportunity to correct these perceived inequities.. The experiment seems to have failed, as the merchandise sales are way down, the viewing figures were better then Capaldi's last season but overall sucked, and there is a definite divide in the fandom, which now the media and shill access websites are even dropping the so called "vocal minority" and are themselves now admitting there is a divide.. which is funny because the same thing is true for Star Wars and STD.. How about they just write good stories, leave out the divisive PC propaganda and preaching, and get on with great science fiction and character development??
Now there's a novel idea..

I would say that fairly often the companion role (certainly as originally envisaged) is co-lead. That waxes and wanes, but certainly in the early days and the final days of the classic series (there were doctor-light episodes before there was a word for it...usually when the actor was on his hols, or ill)
I think the fan reaction to Clara should have been a sign for how this was going to go down. The modern era made the focus of the show so tight on the Doctor, that when it stepped away from that, there was a wailing and gnashing of teeth, A bunch of the fanbase did not like Clara for that *at all* (with similar grumbling about River and Amy before her, when they looked to be stealing focus.) with the result that they were snookered...only way to get a female lead was as antagonist (missy) and then gender-flip the doctor.
Which could have worked.
Except they hired a show runner who couldn’t write his way out of a wet paper bag, or hit the broad side of a semiotic barn. He really couldn’t find his semicolon with both hands...and a map.
 
Indeed. These were the cool toys before my time as a kid. Tho some were able to be found at garage sales throughout the early 80s. I think that Had Doctor Who had more sets like that from MEGO and more action figures based on the monsters of the series, and multiple docs to own and play with, the show in the early 80s and Late 70s could have taken off a bit bigger here in the States, likewise it may have made it more of a merchandise super power in the UK.

But back to the topic at hand, Season 11 and the toy sales have been abysmal.. The 13th Doctor is mainly for collectors who want to have all doctors in their sets, and for the most part, her toys marketed to Girls hasn't taken off as well as the BBC had hoped. While there are female Doctor who fans, and fans of the Female Doctor, the demo isn't or wasn't ever as large as the male fanbase. It's changed a bit, but also lost a bit of fans as well. The current toy sales are an issue. People want to deny it, because it doesn't fit their narrative of the show with Chibnall at the helm being a success. But overall. The numbers didn't look good for both the 13th Doctor's action figures and toys, and also for the ratings on a night with virtually no competition. Now with a move to Sat.. The BBC may regret that, especially if Season 12 isn't as well received as 11 was.

I was just in my local BM store and they had boxes and boxes of those new limited editions Dr Who boxset toys in there, TB with Tardis, 3 peice action figures boxes, McCoy with Dalek, Hurt, McGann, all right above Harry Potter toys, and they were sat right next to a whole shelf section dedicated to that Fortnite video game, now for 10 points can you guess which one of those franchise was almost empty ready to be restocked as it looked like a pack a feeding animals had attacked it, and which two were untouched. lol
 
I was just in my local BM store and they had boxes and boxes of those new limited editions Dr Who boxset toys in there, TB with Tardis, 3 peice action figures boxes, McCoy with Dalek, Hurt, McGann, all right above Harry Potter toys, and they were sat right next to a whole shelf section dedicated to that Fortnite video game, now for 10 points can you guess which one of those franchise was almost empty ready to be restocked as it looked like a pack a feeding animals had attacked it, and which two were untouched. lol

Fortnite
 
^^Yeah, weird in this day and age with internet shopping that there would be nothing that one could not buy globally from anywhere, but i saw from checking ebay that they are not really going for that much more than the shop is selling them for, almost retail price, so maybe they are not that sought after.

Oh well, the Atlantic tunnel will fix this one day. ;)
 
Due to the contract (agreement, license, whatever word is best) with B&M in the UK and the "falling out" with Underground Toys, I figured we bloody Yanks were pretty much out of luck concerning these recent sets...unless one submitted to scalpers on eBay. On a lark, I visited Who North America for the first time in well over a year a few weeks ago. To my (pleasant" shock, it offered some of those sets. I purchased the three I really wanted and once I got my confirmation, I e-mailed Keith (the owner) to learn how he managed it. Nothing "magical". He simply hired a private individual to visit various B&M outlets and purchase some the stock. Then that person shipped them to Keith's store here in the US. As one might expect, the cost of the items themselves and the overseas shipping is passed onto the customer, so they are not exactly "cheap", but they are far less than the scalpers are demanding. I suspect Keith is barely making a profit on this deal.
 
Well they cost £19.99 each over here, so you might be able to deduce from what you paid, if he is making any profit, although i have no idea what package, post and US export duties would come to all in.
 
Hmm, I thought the "pound sterling" rated a but higher. As of today's date 19.99 pounds converts to just a little over 25 dollars. Keith may be making a bit more than I thought.

Regardless, at least I was able to get the sets to somewhat more legit means.

I wanted the Harry Sullivan package, the 3 pack with Tom Baker in his "...Wang Chiang" attire, and the box with Bill Potts and the arguably better (if rather tall) Capaldi.

Upon my desk at work I have a series 12 Tom Baker (in his debut safari jacket) standing in front of the William Hartnell TARDIS that CO released. True, it doesn't have as many electronic features (just a flashing lamp and truncated clips of the mat/demat sound effects) compared to the full blown "Flight Control" police boxes, but I just like the look of that box with the more classic proportions, the midnight blue paint job, the white window frames and the St. John's emblem.
 
leave out the divisive PC propaganda and preaching

This is what I don't understand. I've watched the series twice now and I still don't see any "PC propaganda" or "preaching". Maybe I'm just ignorant, but I honestly don't see it. Can you point to some specific examples? I suspect it's a matter of interpretation. Some are seeing things as "PC" and others are just seeing them as normal.
 
This is what I don't understand. I've watched the series twice now and I still don't see any "PC propaganda" or "preaching". Maybe I'm just ignorant, but I honestly don't see it. Can you point to some specific examples? I suspect it's a matter of interpretation. Some are seeing things as "PC" and others are just seeing them as normal.
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Honestly, and no offense, If you don't see it, and I see it as blatant, Well there's little nit picking and going back and forth will do in a text conversation here that will be able to bridge that gap, so without giving offense, I politely decline the debate..

Now on another note. Fellas!! @Redfern @Haggis and tatties THANK YOU!! I am going to order on payday! I legit had no idea of that place! I had been on ebay most of the time. Amazon 1 time.. too expensive there, holy begeezus!!
 
Honestly, and no offense, If you don't see it, and I see it as blatant, Well there's little nit picking and going back and forth will do in a text conversation here that will be able to bridge that gap, so without giving offense, I politely decline the debate..
Fair enough. I'm open to discussion but I'm also happy to agree to disagree. And certainly no offense is taken.
 
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