But a transporter can't normally duplicate something. You'd still be killing a real cow to get that to happen?
Why do so many fans think replicated food tastes like the "real thing"?
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There's a joke about Thomas Riker being stringier and gamier than Will somewhere in here and I'm not entirely sure I want to go looking for it.
You have a selection of people that still hunt. You don't need to, but people still do.
In the future there will probably still be farmers, butchers etc. kind of like an amish comunity I guess. So real meat could still be available.
For me, I can't stand the fake burger, so many chemicals to make it "Taste" like a burger. Just give me a vegetarian burgur with all natural stuff.
In the future there will probably still be farmers, butchers etc. kind of like an amish comunity I guess. So real meat could still be available.
For me, I can't stand the fake burger, so many chemicals to make it "Taste" like a burger. Just give me a vegetarian burgur with all natural stuff.
If transporter tech is used to produce things you interact with more tactile-ly than the bits that can be done with forcefields in a holodeck, there's the capacity to produce parts or things in the absence of the original.
Some years ago I recall reading something about transporters, Heisenberg compensators and the ridiculously vast amount of data being too large to hold a transporter scan of a person - it has to be read, streamed and lost like pouring water from one jug to another.
One muscle however ? Or part of one muscle ? Massively less data.
Some years ago I recall reading something about transporters, Heisenberg compensators and the ridiculously vast amount of data being too large to hold a transporter scan of a person - it has to be read, streamed and lost like pouring water from one jug to another.
One muscle however ? Or part of one muscle ? Massively less data.
There always will be people that kill things to eat them. I can envision laws against it, enforced like laws against murder now. It might be illegal, but it still happens. You can't stop it.
It raises the question of whether it is better to license and regulate it than to ban it. But I wouldn't license murder either.
Some comunites, probably licensed like the peoples in Alaska can still hunt whale for the village or something like that, why I mentioned Amish or other peoples. Special Despensation, but like now, the Amish does sell Amish non pasturized milk to the public ( i think) so a person could posibly get real meat in the future. Plus plenty of other planets that might not have that kind of Taboo.
Kind of hope that OBrians mom just replicated the meat itself then cooked, or maybe lab grown, or special grown meat.
Read a book once, a guy from a regular town in the future, went on a vacation, came across a nice woman, went up with her to her place for a week or so, ate. at about day 4 he found out she was a member of a group that still eats real meat, and thats what he was eating the whole time. He got violently sick, alot of profanity of how could you etc.
We can make the distinction between farming animals to butcher and hunting animals who otherwise live in the wild. Plus Riker giving an alien a simplified version of the human philosophy he subscribes to doesn't mean there's no traditional farms left on earth, let alone other human colonies, where you could definitely import real meat from if butchering animals is indeed not done on Earth.
Riker and his family harvested native bunnicorns on Nepenthe so humans circa 2399 definitely don't have hangups when it comes to killing wild animals to use their meat for sustenance and even byproducts. I'm sure the Riker home has several food replicators but it's clear he, Deanna and Kestra enjoy real meat as part of their meals.
I'm wondering if "to each is their own." In TNG and DS9, we have heard of "food purists," such as Picard's brother's family and Chief O'Brien's parents along with Michael Eddington when he joined the Maquis. That being said, in the TNG episode "The Neutral Zone," Sonny Clemens compliments the replicator on making the best martini he's ever tasted.
We know that the Replicator has been programed to replace harmful elements of a drink with more nutritional stuff.
e.g. Synthehol.
Scotty had a fit about it.
I wouldn't be surprised if a nutritionist didn't go in and modified alot of "Unhealthy" foods to be "Healthier" and said the tastes are "Close enough" to try to fool others.
e.g. Synthehol.
Scotty had a fit about it.
I wouldn't be surprised if a nutritionist didn't go in and modified alot of "Unhealthy" foods to be "Healthier" and said the tastes are "Close enough" to try to fool others.
That's likely the case.
But according to the dialogue on Mars in the second episode of Star Trek Picard and also in a Season 1 episode of Lower Decks , it also seems that different replicator models may be more accurate than others.
Wonder how big the differences between these models are.
Actually, that doesn't surprise me as it fits with my theory I mentioned earlier that it's mainly the heating/cooking function that produces the tangible, detectable difference and products like ice cream or drinks being "inferior" is largely in the mind of the consumer.
In which case you can replicate the raw materials and cook them conventionally, eradicating the variance. Restaurants would still have a reason to exist and talented chefs thrive !
The PIC opener still bothers me more than anything else, it just shouldn't exist.
First season of TNG, Riker says replicated food is made from transporter patterns. Everything should be as good as you put in. It should only be bad if it's poorly programmed, or designed for reasons other than maximum enjoyment. We know that is the case with Troi's Sundae and Scotty's synthahol, both are adulterated for reasons of health. In a moneyless society good patterns should cost nothing, except maybe friendship or membership depending on circumstances.
The Lower Deck's example bothered me too to some extent, but the rationalization for that is easy: people customize their replicators. The officer replicator was better because the officers made it better. Why? My guess is the top officers stick around a long time and make sure to collect good patterns and preserve them. The other replicators? They get switched out and upgraded all the time, the good patterns go with the people who brought them, unless friends made copies before the original person leaves. Boimler should have been able to download all the patterns he liked and spread them to other replicators, because it's not a Ferengi replicator, it won't have DRM.
It would come as no surprise to learn patterns are big enough they can't be transmitted, unless they can be described as a list and ratio of chemicals. Get into the nuance of the results of preparation and you get into trouble.
Good point about Lower Decks, but there's still the issue with PIC. IIRC something called a una amino matrix, whatever that is, was responsible for the possible differences in food quality.
Riker also fishes a lot, supposedly. Or at least his dad did.
What he spoke against was "enslaving animals for food". A fish torn out of water or a deer skewered on a crossbow bolt dies a happy death without an element of slavery to it, and thanks the hunter for the great honor with its last breath. A cow enduring years of tedious pasturing is the big no-no.
Or at least it's pretty simple to postulate the above moral construct, considering what such things usually look like today.
Simple being cheap is also intuitively acceptable. A delicious meal might be just as simple as an appalling one, when it comes to pattern size and the like - just like there's no difference between beaming a genius and a dullard. But variety is automatically more complex than simplicity, and if you skimp on variety, you're bound to choose fairly basic things for keepers and ditch the haute cuisine, simply because the average user can't stomach the latter on the average.
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That fits into my point about "poorly programmed" food. There are likely completely artificial food patterns, built from the ground up for health or some sort of efficiency, but have no sense of presentation, texture, and flavor. It makes sense as a default in case you don't have good patterns on hand, but not having better patterns is what really lacks sense.
Mars should be a 15 minute commute by maximum impulse shuttle, meaning everyone should have at least one isolinear chip with their favorite meal pattern, and a new one each day. It would be the future equivalent of carrying your lunch box to a job site. It would have been pretty funny if someone had a metal lunch box, opens it, gluttonously stairs at it, only to show it full of isolinear chips instead of food.
Also, imagine a food trend which goes beyond vegan, where no living thing ever had to be sacrificed for your meal, not even plants. That could exist with completely synthetic designed patterns and I imagine a lot of Starfleet default patterns are exactly that. They're not space gruel equivalent, they actually look and taste really nice, but something is still just a little off for those who don't mind and prefer naturally sourced food.
For lack there of comparison... it may. However it's exactly as such. Imagine a meal over and over again. You go out, chicken nuggets taste different, mcdonalds nuggets, wendy's nuggets, your storebought, homemade......Subtlety of flavor difference in ingredients.
A replicated nugget will taste he same, look the same over and over again. So this monotony of flavor. One thing replicators didn't do is eliminate picky eating habits. Diversity of cuisine goes out the door when you're 25 years old and still eating like a f***ing 10 year old. Starship replicators likely go into work to make food nutritious rather than Wholesome: case in Point; In the TNG episode "The Price" Troi asks for a Sundae..... of "REAL" variety.
Computer: This unit is programmed to provide sources of acceptable nutritional value. Your request does not fall within current guidelines
A replicated nugget will taste he same, look the same over and over again. So this monotony of flavor. One thing replicators didn't do is eliminate picky eating habits. Diversity of cuisine goes out the door when you're 25 years old and still eating like a f***ing 10 year old. Starship replicators likely go into work to make food nutritious rather than Wholesome: case in Point; In the TNG episode "The Price" Troi asks for a Sundae..... of "REAL" variety.
Computer: This unit is programmed to provide sources of acceptable nutritional value. Your request does not fall within current guidelines
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