Why do People like Ezri?

[Deckerd]

Did Stargate steal the symbiosis idea from Trek?

 

[ares93]

Perhaps, as far as i know trek was indeed the first. But stealing is a bit pushing it.

 

[Deckerd]

Really? Where do the similarities stop? Sorry I didn't mean to go off topic. Never mind.

 

[ares93]

Really? Where do the similarities stop? Sorry I didn't mean to go off topic. Never mind.

this entire thread is off topic so one more question wont make it worse.

for one, the Trill symbionts can't take control of the host. second, they dont appear to live in symbiosis in the same manner that the tok'ra do. since they don't share the body, per se. the trill symbiont appears to simply be tagging along for the ride. meanwhile the tok'ra have two dominant personalities (host/symbiont). almost like schizophrenia. trills on the other hand can be compared to the reincarnation theory. now, i base all this on canon. my personal thoughts differ.

and on the matter of theft. there a lot of creatures, today that live in symbiosis that is similar to the Trills and tok'ra. i can name a few if needed.

 

[Saquist]

Did Stargate steal the symbiosis idea from Trek?

Perhaps, as far as i know trek was indeed the first. But stealing is a bit pushing it.

If so...stargate did it better.
The real problem is DS9 version. The trill were done TNG.
It was clear. He said that the symbiont is him and the body was just a host....

The blending in Stargate was more separate. More than likely this was just a blending of emotions and memories. but not personalities.

The Trill are indistinguishable from the symbiont.

 

[Rush Limborg]

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Wow... a lot going on in this thread.

Why do I like Ezri?

She's brave. Despite being confused (and who wouldn't be, by what happened to her?) and physically small, she takes on problems whether psychological, political, or physical. And she's resourceful enough to succeed.

She cares about people - her friends, her family.

She's a Trill, and her story is about being a Trill. A new race, focused on in DS9, that never got developed enough.

She's beautiful, in a way that appeals very much to me. (Whereas Jadzia or Seven are beautiful in a way that I admire, rather than makes me think "if she were real I'd be in love").

Amen--100%. Especially the "beautiful" part.

On the other hand - she was held back by a couple of problems.

I don't think a counselor is a great concept for a Trek character. I don't think it worked for Troi or Ezri.

She was introduced way too late - should have come in about halfway through the show.

Oh...I'd think the role of a counselor was a great idea--I just wish there were some "meatier" material for them, in order to more fully "justify" it.

Jadzia

Not my favorite character, although I don't really agree with the people who don't like her at all, either.

I hated how every story about her, even before Worf, was all about Curzon and the Klingons. It wasn't about Trill society, and it wasn't about having lived nine lives before meeting all sorts of interesting alien races... it was about one past life, and Klingons. And more Klingons. And more boring, stereotypical Klingons.

Her flirting with Quark was always harmless. She should have been, with her ancient perspective, a little more careful with Bashir. That doesn't mean he wasn't an idiot for keeping his hopes up, and it doesn't mean she was constantly manipulative - just that she could have avoided sending mixed signals, which she definitely did at times. If she was supposed to be genuinely confused, we never saw it. Bashir at the start of the show was far more immature than Ezri was when she joined the show.

(By the time Worf called Bashir a boy, I think Bashir was far more emotionally mature than Worf, although their respective issues were quite different.)

I actually see your point on that. I don't think Jadzia was malicious or intentionally manipulative--that was simply how she came across at times.

And I agree, that Julian went through a lot of growth--to the point that he was FAR more mature than Worf was, at times. See their respective attiudes in "Afterimage". Worf is completely unstable and a bit of a jerk to Ezri, Julian, and Quark.

Julian was more reserved--and he kept his cool when Worf confronted him.

Bias in contemporary culture

I find it odd that to counter claims that there are bad portrayals of men in contemporary popular culture, people are pointing to bad portrayals of women. Relevance, your Honour, doesn't speak to the question...

One thing I like about Trek is that it generally has positive portrayals of people, including on DS9 where the main cast remain admirable, positive people - men and women - despite having flaws and despite dealing with some pretty murky ethical dilemmas.

It's interesting to debate and criticize where Trek fell short, but on the whole this is something where Trek is head and shoulders above the vast majority of TV.

Absolutely. ITA

 

[Mirror_Barclay]

...and that's why the Dax symbiont comes off like a "memory box" as one person said so astutely.

I think the big exception to this, actually, is with Ezri. While this is inconsistent with some of what we saw previously, it fits better with what we're told was going on.

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Oh...I'd think the role of a counselor was a great idea--I just wish there were some "meatier" material for them, in order to more fully "justify" it.

Possibly... maybe other writers could have done something really great with it. These writers didn't, and perhaps would have done better at coming up with interesting stories about another Starfleet specialty.

And I agree, that Julian went through a lot of growth--to the point that he was FAR more mature than Worf was, at times. See their respective attiudes in "Afterimage". Worf is completely unstable and a bit of a jerk to Ezri, Julian, and Quark.

Julian was more reserved--and he kept his cool when Worf confronted him.

Absolutely.