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Why do people hate the Bajorians?
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I have a feeling that bajorans are hated because they are the closet people to 21st century humans on the show. Yup even more than humans from the federation. Think about it, they are spiritual and seem to be diverse, some clerics, warriors, freedom fighters, scientists, castes, discrimination etc. Every bit like how the current modern day humans are. Which makes them all too familiar and therefore boring.
Think about it, the humans from the federation are very different from us they might as well be aliens, which makes them kinda interesting because their Ultra PC, sterilised and Cashless society is very different to ours. While bajorans are basically like us if we had gone through what they had. I always liked the bajorans more than other societies in star trek, they felt very real advice and not a world of hats.
Think about it, the humans from the federation are very different from us they might as well be aliens, which makes them kinda interesting because their Ultra PC, sterilised and Cashless society is very different to ours. While bajorans are basically like us if we had gone through what they had. I always liked the bajorans more than other societies in star trek, they felt very real advice and not a world of hats.
That was always my take on them as well. I think the Ferengi are also alot like us and they are also very hated so I sense a trend.
Jason
This is why I didn't like Bajorans. Ro Laren was always bitching and that just became the stereotype I had of Bajorans, Kira continued this in the early seasons. Then there's Vedek Wynn, the one you just love to hate. Then there's the guy who'd rather die then get off his land, I can't remember what it was, but he just annoyed me. I can't say there's any Bajorans who I actually liked.
I can't say I hated the Bajorans, but I never really liked them either. They were just a race of people the Federation had to protect for the greater good.
I didn't see Kira and Ro always bitching. Ro questioned her faith in the invisible episode and she had sexual feelings towards Riker and in "Disaster" both she and O'Brien both had to babysit Troi through her command.
KIra was friends with Odo and Dax and was in love with Barreil. She had faith, though they didn't focus on that much in the early seasons. They could disagree with people and sometimes get angry but how is that not like anyone who has every lived?
Jason
KIra was friends with Odo and Dax and was in love with Barreil. She had faith, though they didn't focus on that much in the early seasons. They could disagree with people and sometimes get angry but how is that not like anyone who has every lived?
Jason
It takes a good actor or actresses to make you hate them the role can believe by how the performance is given some will read the part no feeling others will read the part and become the character of good or bad please think about it
Kira was unprofessional and her semi violent outbursts I think would it have made it impossible for a less tolerant captain to show her the nearest transport.
Ro was okay but she was still a pain.
Winn-She was absolutely grating. Though I suppose that is a testament to Louise Fletcher's performance.
Ro was okay but she was still a pain.
Winn-She was absolutely grating. Though I suppose that is a testament to Louise Fletcher's performance.
Let's not forget that Kira was not a trained Starfleet officer or even a military officer most of her life so it makes sense that she is going to be a little unprofessional at times in the beginning. She was a terrorist most of her life. I imagine she got the job because she was a good solider and smart and they thought she could either adapt or if she didn't it wouldn't matter because nobody valued the station that much before the wormhole was discovered.
I kind of agree with Winn and many ways I don't think the character was ever as great as she was in her first episode but she still had her moments and the actor was good so it wasn't a big deal to me.
I would like to mention that show did have a few other intresting Bajorans over the years such as Minister Jaro,Tahana Loss,the guy they rescued everyone thought was a hero in "The Circle" trilogy,Shakaar and his/Kira's 2 friends, The musican who played at Quark's bar that use to be in the Patty Duke show,the young aide to O'Brien that tried to kill Barriel,Leeta,The Vedek who hung herself to protest the Dominion,Kai Opaka,The guy who was a collabarator who Odo arrested in the episode with the same title,the woman whose husband was killed and also worked with the Carddisians from "Necessary Evil,The sellout aide to Dukat who was basically in control of the comfort woman in the ep where Kira went back in time to see her mom,Kira's mom,The General from "The Circle" trilogy.
Jason
Yeah I see how one or even ten Bajorans can represent an entire race of billions of people, even if they are fictional. Stereotyping at its finest.
I love the Bajorans. As a fictional race, and even on a more facile level...I had posters of Kira and Ro. Admittedly, info was a bit scarce when I first got my Kira poster so I assumed she was called Dax......but that corrected over time. Ruffled noses are cute.
A sensible people, the Bajorans, for the most part.
Also...some people don't like them because, on the quiet, they seem to be a bit of a matriarchy, or at the very least, a religious society with extremely good gender equality.
A sensible people, the Bajorans, for the most part.
Also...some people don't like them because, on the quiet, they seem to be a bit of a matriarchy, or at the very least, a religious society with extremely good gender equality.
I mean kira was a resistance/freedom fighter, i mean resistance to authority was pretty much her stock and trade. Plus i am sure a nice dose of PTSD was also part of her personality, i mean she spent mosst of her life living under cadarssian occupation and had to perform atrocities to survive. In my opinion i am surprised she turned out as reasonable as she did because personally i dont think i would be as forgiven to cadarssians as she later became towards the end of DS9.
HOW would be after a lifetime of slavery and fightingfor freedom but never thinking about after the if won so fighting was her life and Captain Sisco new this like good commanding officer take it in to account with her and all Bajorians
They both lightened up and matured as time went by - they longer carried a chip on their shoulders, but they started off being very annoying.
After 60 years of exploitation by another race of people who murdered their families, and stripped their planets resources, they turned out pretty well.
Let me guess, you never experienced being treated as 'the other' or less than human by the society you live in right?
Please don't put words in my mouth. They were expected to act professionally on their jobs and not to wear their hearts on their sleeves while at work. And they eventually learned to do this. This doesn't deny anything they might have gone through - and I imagine a lot of people from different races went through a lot of horrible things in their lives and they were able to not go around with chips on their shoulders all the time. Neelix, for example, went through a horrific experience losing his family, yet he was able to not blame everyone around him for what had happened to him. Yes, he had moments when it came to the surface, which was understandable, but he didn't walk around every day with a chip on his shoulder.
but neelix was not a battle hardened soldier that witnessed and partook in atrocities though, her attitude may be poor to you but i am pretty certain that rebellious streak and stubborness she posessed helped her fight the caddassians in what was basically a war of attrition. Besides our opinion of her is in contrast to federation officers that a different organisational culture, just like the kingon warriors or the romulans that seem even more professional than star fleet. So its all about perspective.
My bad, I forgot how just about every alien species in Star Trek is varied. I forgot about the whacky loveable comedian vulcan, the breen flower gardiner and the scientific pakled.
Come on dude, every alien species is basically a huge stereotype. There's a little play here and there like Rom the generous Ferengi, but even he originally tried to kill his brother for a few bars of latinum.
I don't think this fictional universe needs Social Justice Warriors.
While I could see Sisko or maybe characters in the universe maybe being annoyed with KIra and SIsko was in that one episode were she went over his head and talked to Starfleet and we know the government did as well since they sent her to the station but why are we the tv audience supose to be annoyed? It's kind of like hating the Darth Vadar character because he does bad things? Character flaws only make characters more intresting.
I have never understood the idea that tv characters are supose to be likeable. I think you are supose be able to be able to understand what makes them who they are and like them based on how intresting that makes them. People just being nice to each other all the time doesn't make for great drama. You need conflict and not just to have people always hating or getting mad at each other but also to help make them feel closer when you do show them bond over stuff. KIrk/Spock/McCoy feels like a family in part because they didn't always agree and O'Brien and Bashir also felt like brothers because the show started off with O'Brien disliking him and even when they become friends they still could argue.
Jason
I have never understood the idea that tv characters are supose to be likeable. I think you are supose be able to be able to understand what makes them who they are and like them based on how intresting that makes them. People just being nice to each other all the time doesn't make for great drama. You need conflict and not just to have people always hating or getting mad at each other but also to help make them feel closer when you do show them bond over stuff. KIrk/Spock/McCoy feels like a family in part because they didn't always agree and O'Brien and Bashir also felt like brothers because the show started off with O'Brien disliking him and even when they become friends they still could argue.
Jason
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