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Why do people hate Berman & Braga?

Do you think that Berman and Braga ruined Star Trek?

  • Yes

    Votes: 18 29.5%
  • No

    Votes: 43 70.5%

  • Total voters
    61
Many fans are too lazy to find out exactly who did what in terms of Star Trek's production, or use them as a scapegoat to take the blame for things they personally think "went wrong".

In about 90% of cases, they had nothing to do with what happened or the opinion is highly subjective and biased against them and not worth wasting time on.
 
Simple: Because they were in charge of Star Trek when Star Trek was on the decline. So they became the fans' convenient punching bags. Just like John-Nathan Turner with Doctor Who.

Do they deserve the fan's ire? Not really. While they both did indeed make some dumb decisions, the ones that REALLY deserve to be vilified are UPN. They're the ones that ruined Star Trek, not B&B.
 
What I find consistently ironic is that the people who hate Braga the most tend to give him far more credit than he's actually entitled to, and at the expense of the collaborators he always works with. They elevate him into this all-powerful solo auteur who deserves sole credit/blame for every show he works on, when in reality he's simply a workmanlike producer who has always been part of a team and has built his career mainly on being brought in to produce shows other people created.

And of course, part and parcel of that is giving him too much credit for Star Trek, assuming he was Berman's equal partner in everything, which isn't true at all. He started out as the lowest-ranked staffer on TNG, rose through the ranks on VGR, show-ran it for two seasons, then became Berman's equal writing-producing partner for Enterprise only. For the most part, he worked for Berman, and only on selected projects -- TNG, VGR, ENT, and the first two TNG movies, with no involvement whatsoever in DS9 or the latter two TNG movies.

You'd think that the worst critics of someone would want to diminish or trivialize his achievements, but Braga's haters insist on assuming he's a far more powerful and influential auteur than he actually is, and insist on marginalizing and dismissing the achievements of Braga's many collaborators in the process. It's bizarre. They tear him down by building him up at others' expense.

As for Berman, he was the executive in charge of the whole franchise for so long that it was inevitable that he'd accumulate the blame for everything fans didn't like. The longer any producer serves, the more negativity they tend to accumulate from fandom -- look at how much Doctor Who fandom vilified John Nathan-Turner by the end of his tenure, or how much they criticize Steven Moffat today.
 
People still hate them? I thought JJ Abrams had taken over the mantle of "guy in charge of Trek who everyone hates". He's even got a bunch of Facebook hate groups where weirdos talk about how terrible a human being he is.
 
People still hate them? I thought JJ Abrams had taken over the mantle of "guy in charge of Trek who everyone hates". He's even got a bunch of Facebook hate groups where weirdos talk about how terrible a human being he is.
But what he has done is just a (said to be,haven't seen Into Darkness yet) shitty reboot. Still,I can't hate the creative department/actors/writers of any franchise. They do the best they can,so if you don't like,you shouldn't watch it.
 
Personally, I have always liked what is termed (correctly or not) the Berman/Braga era, that encompasses TNG\DS9\VOY\ENT. To me, those are some of the best years of TV of the late 1980s-early 2000s. And I still like those shows. I wouldn't own them on DVD if I didn't!
When you are talking a combined 28 seasons of Star Trek, sure there are going to be episodes that aren't good, or some themes and concepts that tend to get recycled or repeated, but over all, that was some good TV, relative to a lot of stuff on at the time, or even after (IE the big soul-sucking black hole that is REALITY TV!).
 
I never hated them but I was very disappointed with Voyager and Enterprise. Those two shows showed me how creatively exhausted I think Berman-era Trek had become (and throw in Nemesis into that mix). Though I did make peace with Enterprise due to the last two seasons, and I don't hate Voyager anymore. And Berman & Braga, etc. were responsible for I think many of the best seasons of TNG.
 
I don't think Braga was in any position of power on TNG until the very end.

Fair point, but I was looking at it more from "Berman & Braga" as a tandem, insult, or accusation many fans railed against-including myself to some extent-at least by the time of Voyager and Enterprise.
 
They did fine.

Eventually they ran out of ideas and things got stale. Happens to everyone, in every part of life.
 
Plus, Braga made the "mistake" early on of admitting that he wasn't a big fan of TOS, which branded him forever as an infidel in some people's eyes. Just as, ridiculously, some fans will never forgive Abrams for admitting that he preferred STAR WARS as a kid . . . .

(Never mind that Nicholas Meyer and Harve Bennett also started out as Trek virgins, but generally gets a free pass on this.)
 
Braga is a good writer for certain kinds of stories.

People blame Berman for the risk-averse fully episodic direction the show took through Voyager and the first two seasons of Enterprise. Some of it is the network's fault, not theirs.
 
People blame Berman for the risk-averse fully episodic direction the show took through Voyager and the first two seasons of Enterprise. Some of it is the network's fault, not theirs.

Yet give him no credit for Deep Space Nine.
 
That is the perception that names like Behr and Moore are responsible for DS9, some even say DS9 was allowed to take more risks because Voyager took fewer.

There is no arc based show without Berman being there. Whether fans of that show want to admit it or not.
 
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