Why do people continue to insist Star Wars ships are faster??
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Do we know when Star Wars ships go light speed, they are truly ignoring relativity?
That would finally explain why in the original Star Wars, they referred to Jedi as an 'Ancient religion'.
Christianity is an ancient religion, too. It doesn't mean it doesn't still exist today.
I’m not worried about it lol, I just don’t get why people say it when the dialogue clearly says otherwise.
I imagine SW would be a really dull watch if it were that precise
They go very fast, faster even than the offence that has me doing a speed awareness course this afternoon.....
In SW, the term "Light Speed" is simply used as a slang term for travel in the hyperspace realm, no matter what the actual speed may be.
It's like how we use the word "Photoshopped" to describe an edited digital image, whether or not Adobe Photoshop software was actually used in the process.
Or something.
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I agree, BUT, how did they get to Bespin without hyperdrive if they couldn't go past light speed?
It has never been explicitly said on screen, and I have never read the novel--nor have I seen Solo yet. But it seems to me that in Star Wars ships must be able to accelerate past light speed without using their hyperspace drive. So, in ESB let's pretend that Luke spends a year on Dagobah while Bespin is only a year and a half from Hoth. That means that Han and Leia etc spend a year and a half on the Falcon--not aging--during their journey to Bespin. If they had been able to engage the hyperdrive, it would have been almost instantaneous. The hyperdrive in all Star Wars movies does not seem to depend on speed or distance, but on some unknown factor--such as navigation between stars or something.
In Star Trek, even though it wasn't really defined until TNG, the warp speed function bends space around the ship to allow it to go faster than light. The higher the Warp number is--the longer the Warp bubble becomes. They are not entering a hyperspace like in Star Wars where it seems that almost the entire Galaxy has been mapped out.
Comparing the two, or bringing in Battlestar Galactica or Andromeda, is pointless because each of them uses their own quasi-scientific expanation to explain how to travel between stars. It doesn't matter that Star Wars ships travel from one end of the galaxy to the other while Star Trek ships take 75 years to do it. They are different stories.
At least with nuBSG they had the FTL capability via jumping. The original it was ships could go to lightspeed in normal space - even the vipers.
Its quite possible the Star Wars galaxy is REALLY small.
For comparative purposes:
M60-UCD1 dwarf galaxy that crams 140 million stars within a diameter of about 300 light-years, which is only 1/500th of our galaxy's diameter
In order to traverse that galaxy from one end to the other in a matter of say 5 days, then Hyperspace would need to be on the scale of Warp 9.9 (21 473 times LS / 4 billion miles per second).
And the Millenium Falcon was said by the imperials in 'The Empire Strikes Back', that it should be halfway across the galaxy by now (which could easily mean they were looking for the Falcon for a couple of days by that point).
Since most ships in TNG didn't really reach or travel at this speed from a canonical point of view (only in Voyager did we see the USS Prometheus able to sustain this velocity at all for a long period of time - Voyager was cruising at Warp 6 mostly, and started shaking violently when reaching Warp 9.9 - so from a canonical point of view, the writers never allowed Voyager to reach 9.975 - which would effectively take the ship back to the Federation in about 1 week because every increment past Warp 9.9 results in exponential increase in velocity - so my explanation for Voyager is that it featured a massive improvement in Warp capability which got damaged upon the ship being violently taken to the DQ and suffering heavy damage to the hull and warp core - heck the core had a micro-fracture which needed to be sealed - there's a viable explanation right there why it would take Voyager decades to get back - high damage with no reasonable areas to resupply and repair it apart from most primary systems due to being im hostile territory, etc).
The Wars Galaxy being small plays well into how close planets in Wars galaxy are to each other... and on that account, you don't need Hyperspace to be any faster than Warp 9.9.
Besides, the Wars species are technologically inferior to the Federation and most other species in Trek.
Since none of the Wars books are canon (And there is 0 canonical data supporting ridiculous firepower levels given by some fans - there IS however more than enough data indicating really large firepower for Trek... from high Gigatons to Teratons actually - plus the fact they use an assortment of subspace based technology which enhances virtually everything, and they have unprecedented level of energy manipulation and conversion - they can easily convert energy to matter and back again in the 24th century).
For comparative purposes:
M60-UCD1 dwarf galaxy that crams 140 million stars within a diameter of about 300 light-years, which is only 1/500th of our galaxy's diameter
In order to traverse that galaxy from one end to the other in a matter of say 5 days, then Hyperspace would need to be on the scale of Warp 9.9 (21 473 times LS / 4 billion miles per second).
And the Millenium Falcon was said by the imperials in 'The Empire Strikes Back', that it should be halfway across the galaxy by now (which could easily mean they were looking for the Falcon for a couple of days by that point).
Since most ships in TNG didn't really reach or travel at this speed from a canonical point of view (only in Voyager did we see the USS Prometheus able to sustain this velocity at all for a long period of time - Voyager was cruising at Warp 6 mostly, and started shaking violently when reaching Warp 9.9 - so from a canonical point of view, the writers never allowed Voyager to reach 9.975 - which would effectively take the ship back to the Federation in about 1 week because every increment past Warp 9.9 results in exponential increase in velocity - so my explanation for Voyager is that it featured a massive improvement in Warp capability which got damaged upon the ship being violently taken to the DQ and suffering heavy damage to the hull and warp core - heck the core had a micro-fracture which needed to be sealed - there's a viable explanation right there why it would take Voyager decades to get back - high damage with no reasonable areas to resupply and repair it apart from most primary systems due to being im hostile territory, etc).
The Wars Galaxy being small plays well into how close planets in Wars galaxy are to each other... and on that account, you don't need Hyperspace to be any faster than Warp 9.9.
Besides, the Wars species are technologically inferior to the Federation and most other species in Trek.
Since none of the Wars books are canon (And there is 0 canonical data supporting ridiculous firepower levels given by some fans - there IS however more than enough data indicating really large firepower for Trek... from high Gigatons to Teratons actually - plus the fact they use an assortment of subspace based technology which enhances virtually everything, and they have unprecedented level of energy manipulation and conversion - they can easily convert energy to matter and back again in the 24th century).
The dialogue you're quoting says "lightspeed" but doesn't say speed of light. But the rest of the dialogue (about the galaxy itself and travel time) doesn't make any sense if we're assuming lightspeed actually means speed of light.
I mean, if we're trying to use the dialogue in Solo to suggest that the parsec is a unit of distance, they traveled 12 parsecs in, what? 20 minutes? That would be absurdly fast.
I mean, as we all now, it would take 9 days, 10 hours, 15 minutes, and 22.5 seconds to travel 12 parsecs at Warp 9.
I mean, both move at the speed of the plot so this is pointless, but what's even more pointless is picking out a specific term used in the movies, assuming it means the same thing you would use it to mean, and then trying to compare it to something else from a different place and time. Since this is all from a long, long time ago, that's just bad historical methodology.
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I took "lightspeed" to mean anything above the speed of light.
But we're comparing with Star Trek, where planets are alternately weeks or minutes away, depending on plot. Where messages can take weeks to reach the nearest outpost, or we can have real-time convos with peeps back home.
But we're comparing with Star Trek, where planets are alternately weeks or minutes away, depending on plot. Where messages can take weeks to reach the nearest outpost, or we can have real-time convos with peeps back home.
I'm one of those who took George Lucas at his word when he said in the commentary for 'A New Hope' that Han was referring to the fact that he had shaved distance off the Kessel run rather than was referring to parsec as a unit of time. Whilst as a kid when I first watched the Star Wars films and was oblivious to relativity theory and such things, I too just thought that the Millennium Falcon could go 1 1/2 times the speed of light when he said that it could make "point five past light speed". But I agree with those who say it was a figure of speech. Consider this line from the season two TNG episode 'Peak Performance' when Armin Shimerman playing Ferengi Daimon Bractor assessing the USS Hathaway's capabilities declares it has "...No lightspeed drive...". You might find these You Tube videos interesting:
It's been established that hyperdrive is the faster mode of transport, if you take the safe shortest hyperspace routes, and even more if you take the dangerous uncharted shortcuts plotted by Lando's platonic partner, flying dangerously close to sleeping summa-verminoths and black holes inside the Akkadese Maelstrom. That's why in ‘The Cage’ Spock refers to the Enterprise' warp drive with the endearing term from Earth fiction, ‘hyperdrive’. Comparable to hyperdrive speeds are only achieved with the Xindi's subspace vortex, and first surpassed by Borg's subspace corridors, like the one Janeway uses to escape the delta quadrant in award-winning episode ‘Endgame’.
The Federation tried to get access to the technology behind the subspace corridors when they abducted General Hague from Babylon 5, and sent Captain Braxton in his place to account for his disappearance. They wanted to get intelligence on B5's hyperdrive gateways, but he refused to cooperate, only saying “Damn it, Ben, I'm an army general, not a cross-dimensional physicist.”
Midichlorian networks communicate much faster than subspace or hyperspace communications, as they use The Force, which is unconstrained by the speed of light. It connects all of space-time, including past and future, making it impervious to time delays, and providing a post-quantum instantaneous action at a distance. For example, in the lesser known film ‘A New Hope’, Obi-Wan Kenobi senses the destruction of a planet from a considerable distance at the instant that it occurs. If one were to use a Force projection – like Sarek in The Battle of the Binary Stars – that projection will transport them instantaneously to another place in the galaxy or universe, making it significantly faster than any of the other forms of transport.
The Federation tried to get access to the technology behind the subspace corridors when they abducted General Hague from Babylon 5, and sent Captain Braxton in his place to account for his disappearance. They wanted to get intelligence on B5's hyperdrive gateways, but he refused to cooperate, only saying “Damn it, Ben, I'm an army general, not a cross-dimensional physicist.”
Midichlorian networks communicate much faster than subspace or hyperspace communications, as they use The Force, which is unconstrained by the speed of light. It connects all of space-time, including past and future, making it impervious to time delays, and providing a post-quantum instantaneous action at a distance. For example, in the lesser known film ‘A New Hope’, Obi-Wan Kenobi senses the destruction of a planet from a considerable distance at the instant that it occurs. If one were to use a Force projection – like Sarek in The Battle of the Binary Stars – that projection will transport them instantaneously to another place in the galaxy or universe, making it significantly faster than any of the other forms of transport.
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My "headcannon" is that Star Wars ships can travel FTL, which is on a logarithmic scale so something like "Point five past lightspeed" means the ship can go something like 5 times the speed of light, rather than half again faster (explains why the Falcon can get to another system in a matter of weeks[?] without a functioning hyperdrive in ESB) . Once a ship is traveling at lightspeed, it can enter an alternate dimension where that speed (or the distance traveled, in any case) is magnified many times over. Most of the time, a ship jumps straight to hyperspace, because there's not much point to cruising at factors of lightspeed with the engines normally when your fuel goes a lot further in hyperspace.
They're mechanics, they worked on it! Clearly they weren't able to fix it per se, but they jury-rigged it to where it could be used within a certain range.
They could have had a slower backup hyperdrive motivator, or perhaps the journey was with range at sub light speeds. Sure it might have taken weeks or months.
Books aren't canon.
The Wars galaxy could easily be only 300 Ly's from one side to the other... at which point, Wars ships don't need to be faster than Warp 9.9 to traverse it in a few days.
Oh and, Wars ships being faster than Trek ships doesn't fly.
Voyager modified the Slipstream drive by enhancing it with Borg technology and benemite crystals, resulting in 10 000 Ly's per minute.
Plus, The hyperdrive can't function reliably without a map... fast Warp and Slipstream don't have those limitations.
Of course the displacement-activated spore hub drive is even faster allowing for near instantaneous travel between locations.
The new ones are.
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