Why do democrats get satirised less on TV?

[1001001]

You can retcon it and say God was involved in evolution. Does not make you antiscience. You can even be a scientist and belive that.

The 2008 ones?

Please tell us what was so crazy in the 2008 Democratic debates. I don't remember anything as nutty as 999.

Lying, backstabbaing, Hillarys RFK comments, should i go on?

Christine "I'm not a witch" O'Donnell?
Rick "I'm taking porn off the internet" Santorum?
Sarah "I love the smell of emissions" Palin?
Michele "Natural disasters are God's punishment" Bachmann?

The Democratic Party looks like the goddamned Algonquin Roundtable compared to this clown college.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I think Nick Lowe said it best "What's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding?"

 

[nightwind1]

Show it to us.

The Republican debates this election should be all you need.

They are like the democratic debates more or less.

Oh, wait, you were trying to be serious...


...nope.

 

[Davros]

Christine "I'm not a witch" O'Donnell?
Rick "I'm taking porn off the internet" Santorum?
Sarah "I love the smell of emissions" Palin?
Michele "Natural disasters are God's punishment" Bachmann?

The Democratic Party looks like the goddamned Algonquin Roundtable compared to this clown college.

QFT

 

[Captain Craig]

backed by overwhelming evidence

Opinions do not equate Evidence although I get that is how liberals try to prove things. ie Man Made Global Warming, Obamacare

Global warming is real and it was called the Affordable Care Act not Obamacare, but thanks for showing your bias.

I said Man Made Global Warming. If you want to talk about Volcanic Eruptions, Solar Activity and the such and how that contributes to a cyclical period of warming/cooling of the Earth I'll agree with you.
If you mean Cow Shit is heating the Earth so I should use Mercury filled lightbulbs in my house when for decades we've fretted over Mercury in our tuna, then no. I place that close to the 'bat shit stupid' territory.

As for Obamacare, I'm just using the term as encouraged by our President himself.

Nobody is saying there are no crazy Democrats, just not as many as there are crazy Republicans.
If you had facts to bring to the discussion, you would have.

What facts? The OP was about what is considered 'bat shit crazy' and frankly that is a matter of opinion. It's why I simply stated as much.
You mean to tell me if I had taken the time, amassed links of what in my opinion were bat shit crazy/stupid democratic comments that enough of those would constitute a fact? I don't think so. Opinions are just that, a collection of them are still just opinions.

Other popular opinions once held by a consensus:
The sun revolves around the earth or geocentricity.
The earth is flat.
Alchemy as a legit science.
We'll never split the atom.
Black holes are just theoretical.
The warp barrier will never be broken...wait.

So yes color me not impressed by Al Gore's attempt to "sell" me carbon offsets. Very capitalistic of him though.

 

[Squiggy]

So you don't believe it because things in the past has been disproven? You truly are a man of science and definitely aren't trying to come up with any excuse to not believe anything associated with the left just because it's associated with the left.

Magellan sailed around the world = there is life on Mars.

 

[Captain Craig]

^^^
No, saying this mantra of "consensus" is a weak argument when there are many scientists in agreement to the contrary. When Al Gore's video is dissected and "facts" cherry picked and in other papers it's shown that particualar sets of data are omitted in order to form a conclusion favorable to a particular outcome then yes I don't buy into "Man Made Global Warming". There is no science that shows conclusively(color me jaded by political agendas being at play as well) me how we can have Ice Ages and Warming periods pre-Industrial Revolution that aren't mans fault but now and climatic change of similarity must be mans fault. That's quite a bit of hubris. Sometimes simple common sense is all that is needed. Over thinking a thing is what we have here.

Can't get people to simply recycle an F'ing aluminum can when a container is placed there for them. We expect people to safely and properly dispose of mercury filled light bulbs? WTF?
First, do no harm. This, with the mercury....is going to harm. It's illogical. We worry about mercury in our oceans and seafood, do PSA's and have high standards to keep mercury levels down and now placing these mercury light bulbs that will inevitably end up in landfills and over time get into the watertable...that is considered a good idea?!

As for the left and association it's the Federal level that we part ways and that's really where discussion on these boards lies.

 

[Davros]

Consensus is how science works. If there was enough evidence to refute man made global warming that is what the consensus would be.

 

[Captain Craig]

Scientists have put forth evidence to the contrary, it's not like just one or two kooks are kicking around this plausibility that any current warming isn't due to man.
If Warming and Cooling had never, ever happened in the millions of years of the earth the MMGW crowd would have a slam dunk case.
The "evidence" that it is has yet to be conclusive...it's why MMGW is theory.

I feel this derails from the OP's bat shit crazy satirazation(is there a word for what I want here?) question so my apologies. This is not an intentional thread derailment.

 

[Caliburn24]

Arguing which side is crazier or has more kooks is silly. But more importantly it proves nothing. It is a stream of anecdotes pulled out of context.

I think following the money trail is far more telling.

Take the first twenty names off http://www.newsmeat.com/celebrity_political_donations/ for example.

Jim Abrahams
J. J. Abrams
Roy Acuff
Ansel Adams
Ben Affleck
Moustapha Akkad
Jessica Alba
Eddie Albert
Alan Alda
Jason Alexander
Byron Allen
Joan Allen
Krista Allen
Ted Allen
Woody Allen
Kristie Alley
Herb Alpert
Big Kenny Alphin
Robert Altman
Louie Anderson

Eighteen donated to Democrats. Two donated to Republicans. You can scroll through the more comprehensive list if you like, come to your own conclusions.

But it seems clear that Hollywood donates far more money to Democrats. Which implies they themselves lean that way politically. Which makes it seem reasonable to assume that their political bias slips into the content they produce.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Ansel Adams? He's been dead since 1984.

 

[Davros]

Scientists have put forth evidence to the contrary, it's not like just one or two kooks are kicking around this plausibility that any current warming isn't due to man.

But the only scientists putting out the contradictory evidence seem to be overwhelmingly in the employ of energy industry interests and their evidence doesn't hold up to peer scrutiny.

If Warming and Cooling had never, ever happened in the millions of years of the earth the MMGW crowd would have a slam dunk case.
The "evidence" that it is has yet to be conclusive...it's why MMGW is theory.

A "theory" in science means established fact, like the theory of gravity.

I feel this derails from the OP's bat shit crazy satirazation(is there a word for what I want here?) question so my apologies. This is not an intentional thread derailment.

Refusal to believe in man made global warming is about the least batshit crazy thing coming out of the GOP these days. The nonsense about a war on religion seems quite a bit nuttier to me. Same with the idiocy about Obama appeasing terrorists.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Part of the problem is "conservatives" are often in jobs that are cast as villains in entertainment :the rich, bankers and business men. Old man Potter from It's A Wonderful Life is pretty much a threefer. No one roots for the Sheriff of Nottingham in Robin Hood or The railroad magnate gobbling up land from poor farmers in a Western. Not to mention preachers stopping kids from dancing.

 

[Caliburn24]

Ansel Adams? He's been dead since 1984.

The list I linked to is donations to Federal campaigns since 1978.

I suppose there are probably lists of just recent contributions somewhere. It would be interesting to see if the ratios have changed in Hollywood. Or if contributions have always been so overwhelmingly Democratic.

 

[Gov Kodos]

Ansel Adams? He's been dead since 1984.

The list I linked to is donations to Federal campaigns since 1978.

I suppose there are probably lists of just recent contributions somewhere. It would be interesting to see if the ratios have changed in Hollywood. Or if contributions have always been so overwhelmingly Democratic.

So, a random list of Democrats in Hollywood is evidence of nothing. There are as many Republicans working in Hollywood from Clint Eastwood and The Rock, to loonies like Mel Gibson. Are their works, then automatically conservative and Republican? Asserting everything people do in Hollywood not only reflects their politics, but actively injects their political views into their work is ridiculous. It needs far more proof than a list of random Democrats working in the industry to be any kind of substantive proof that Hollywood is liberal biased.

 

[Caliburn24]

So, a random list of Democrats in Hollywood is evidence of nothing. There are as many Republicans working in Hollywood from Clint Eastwood and The Rock, to loonies like Mel Gibson.

Clint Eastwood has given to both Democratic and Republican federal campaigns. Mel Gibson has never contributed to either party. The Rock has never donated to either party.

Are their works, then automatically conservative and Republican? Asserting everything people do in Hollywood not only reflects their politics, but actively injects their political views into their work is ridiculous.

Much of Hollywood's content is apolitical(it doesn't do to piss off half their customers after all). But when specific Hollywood movies or TV shows are about politics they almost always lean left(with the exception of a few genres). Are there any Republican analogues to the The West Wing, Commander in Chief, The Ides of March? I can't think of any.

It needs far more proof than a list of random Democrats working in the industry to be any kind of substantive proof that Hollywood is liberal biased.

As you wish. It is hardly a secret.

2008 Presidential A-List Donor Chart
http://www.newsmeat.com/2008a-list.php

Now if you had the intellectual fortitude to browse that list can you at least admit that Hollywood overwhelmingly donated to Democrats?

You don't need to make the leap that Hollywood is thus left leaning, just that they donate way more money to the political left. That is all.

 

[Gov Kodos]

So, a random list of Democrats in Hollywood is evidence of nothing. There are as many Republicans working in Hollywood from Clint Eastwood and The Rock, to loonies like Mel Gibson.

Clint Eastwood has given to both Democratic and Republican federal campaigns. Mel Gibson has never contributed to either party. The Rock has never donated to either party.

Are their works, then automatically conservative and Republican? Asserting everything people do in Hollywood not only reflects their politics, but actively injects their political views into their work is ridiculous.

Much of Hollywood's content is apolitical(it doesn't do to piss off half their customers after all). But when specific Hollywood movies or TV shows are about politics they almost always lean left(with the exception of a few genres). Are there any Republican analogues to the The West Wing, Commander in Chief, The Ides of March? I can't think of any.

It needs far more proof than a list of random Democrats working in the industry to be any kind of substantive proof that Hollywood is liberal biased.

As you wish. It is hardly a secret.

2008 Presidential A-List Donor Chart
http://www.newsmeat.com/2008a-list.php

Now if you had the intellectual fortitude to browse that list can you at least admit that Hollywood overwhelmingly donated to Democrats?

You don't need to make the leap that Hollywood is thus left leaning, just that they donate way more money to the political left. That is all.

So, Clint isn't Republican enough, and because the Rock and Mel allegedly haven't contributed money to Republicans, we should conclude no Republicans in Hollywood have contributed money? Red Dawn? The Corpus of John Wayne? The Rambo films? I don't expect to find Barbara Streisand at them, but then, maybe she likes action films. And finally, another list of random Democrat donors is supposed to preclude the possibility of Republican donors in Hollywood? Intellectual fortitude, indeed.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Ansel Adams? He's been dead since 1984.

The list I linked to is donations to Federal campaigns since 1978.

I suppose there are probably lists of just recent contributions somewhere. It would be interesting to see if the ratios have changed in Hollywood. Or if contributions have always been so overwhelmingly Democratic.

Of course it has, at least among the folks in the arts there. The business end and labor end might produce different results. Just like a College town might be more liberal, even if its in the heart of a red state.

As for content. That's going to be influenced by the non-art types as well. The Network and studio types, marketing departments and advertisers.

 

[Cyke101]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQtSTtjxllc&feature=endscreen&NR=1

Joe Wong's funny, insightful, talks about American identity throws a couple shots at Obama and Biden (clearly for humor), and is generally pretty likeable all around.

I bring him up because I can't help but think that, in light of Pete Hoekstra's ad, Limbaugh's racism when attacking Hu Jintao, some of the racial criticisms leveled at Obama's choice of Dr. Jim Young Kim to be our nominee for the the World Bank, this guy would never be called on for a similar Republican speaking engagement.

And that's when I think to myself, "Yeah, that's one reason why people pick on the Republican party." Not even counting Wong's personal politics, he's simply too much of an other. "Go back to your country!" and "Learn to speak English!" is not productive in any way, nor are they things that the moderate-minority of the Republican party would say, I think.

That's not to say Democrats aren't immune to making racist remarks, either, but one party not only does it louder, but much, much more often. And even then, it's not moderate Republicans saying these things most of the time, the guilty ones are right-wing extremists. But when the extremists make such a quote, Republicans will rarely be the first to call them out on that, because the extremists have such an intense grip on the party.

The OP said not to include talk shows, but I'd have to bring up Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert. Stewart has tended to get along with or occasionally praise people like Scott Brown (post-election) and Olympia Snowe not because of politics, but for backing up their positions with more than just shouting out catchphrases, and Huckabee and McCain used to be frequent guests (pre 2008 primaries, of course). For Colbert, politicans tend to see the "Colbert Bump," a spike in their approval ratings regardless of party after appearing on the show (so yes, a few Republican politicians have benefited from that -- like Huckabee again).

So in my mind, it's not that Republicans get satirized more, but rather that shouty, loud-mouthed, all-flash-no-substance Republicans become the target of satire, because what they say is far less nuanced and therefore much easier to duplicate and thus twist around. Moderate Republicans tend to be unscathed. Those dependent on soundbytes and slogans (Dubya being a huge example -- he seemingly had a new term every other week!) are gonna get trashed.

 

[Caliburn24]

So, Clint isn't Republican enough, and because the Rock and Mel allegedly haven't contributed money to Republicans, we should conclude no Republicans in Hollywood have contributed money? Red Dawn? The Corpus of John Wayne? The Rambo films? I don't expect to find Barbara Streisand at them, but then, maybe she likes action films. And finally, another list of random Democrat donors is supposed to preclude the possibility of Republican donors in Hollywood? Intellectual fortitude, indeed.

Constructing strawman arguments generally mean you concede the argument. I never said no Republicans in Hollywood donated to campaigns. I just said that overall the campaign money coming out of Hollywood is overwhelming going to Democratic candidates. Your refusal to actually look at the lists of campaign contributors is quite telling. They are not "random" lists of Democratic donors. They are comprehensive lists of all celebrity donors on BOTH sides. This information is not secret or random.

Your implicit argument is that there are hordes of secret Republican donors in Hollywood that somehow we just don't know about. Which is quite the fun conspiracy theory I guess. Unsupported and silly, but fun. But I'll make you a deal, any hard data on Republican donors in Hollywood that you want to provide I will take a close look at.

And yes, war movies and westerns are genres that are some of the last bastions of more conservative messages in Hollywood. They are also two genres which have largely died out relative to how numerous they used to be. Rambo and Red Dawn have become favorite movies of righties, true enough. But frankly Rambo is anti-war, anti-establishment, very much not a conservative message. And Red Dawn is not particularly political. I like to think that when the Cubans invade the US both Democrats and Republicans will pick up AKs and RPGs and go to war.