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Why didn't Old Biff come back to an alternate 2015?

As for old Biff's cane, perhaps it would have eventually diappeared except that Marty & Doc came back to 1985.

The Delorean itself has to fall in the same reasoning. Doc was committed to an insane asylum in Biff's 1985; so there would have been no Delorean time machine built.

I believe that Doc, Marty and the Delorean had gained a certain immunity to erasure given that they were all now paradoxes. Marty saved himself from disappearing, but he still distinctly remembers two 1985 timelines. At the end of the first film, Marty replaced whoever the other 1985 Marty was. Once that's happened, it's pretty good evidence that he's shifted a little outside of the normal rules of static time. The same can be said of Doc and the Delorean; and the cane head survived because it stayed in the Delorean.
 
How about this.

When the timelines split, it didn't create a ubend like in plumbing, but instead in fact a "splitter" like with telephone connections... that when Old Biff travelled back into A future, he also actually back travelled into EVERY Future.

Hmm.

But then why would Jennifer phase through from the other time line if it hadn't been demolished?
 
As for old Biff's cane, perhaps it would have eventually diappeared except that Marty & Doc came back to 1985.

The Delorean itself has to fall in the same reasoning. Doc was committed to an insane asylum in Biff's 1985; so there would have been no Delorean time machine built.

Maybe Doc managed to build (and, of course, hide) the time machine before they committed him?
 
Er, no. I think we have to assume that the flux capacitor generates a temporal impermeability field.
 
I call for a general ban on nitpicking of any Back to the Future film on this forum for the simple fact that it is a cinematic masterpiece. There are heaps of things that don't make sense in the films... the beauty is that it never makes the story any less awesome.

Honestly, who would stand in front of the Mona Lisa to nitpick it?
Nitpicker #1: Hmmm.... that smile isn't very mysterious. A chick in my film class has a smile ten times more mysterious than her. I've measured it.
Nitpicker #2: Yeah. And I'd imagined the painting would be bigger. [Comic Book Guy Voice:] Worst masterpiece ever.
 
perhaps Hilldale is a shit-hole in both time lines and doesn't change that much just cause Biff becomes the richest douchebag on the face of the earth
 
Marty saved himself from disappearing, but he still distinctly remembers two 1985 timelines.

The part I found the most disturbing is that Marty didn't seem to have any memories from the new timeline (at the end of part 1). His entire family was basically composed of strangers.
 
^perhaps it took time for the new memories to set in, and, wasn't the Brown mansion saved from burning down in BTTFF1?
 
Marty remembered the previous timeline...his reaction when seeing his parents when they enter the house is proof of this. He's STUNNED. He remembers how they were before and obviously the change in George has taken effect and changed the timeline.
 
that's because this new timeline also had a Marty who we saw fly off to 1955 in the Delorian who if he didn't die in the past due to some misadventure should have also returned and told this other Marty stealing his life to fuck off except that since this was a radically different Marty, he probably created a completely new timeline also when he fiddled about with the past making mildly different changes to the timeline.

But that alternate Marty we saw at the end of the first movie should have landed right on top of the first Marty's adventures just like the later original Marty did in back tot he future II...

Here's an odd possibility, what if the alternate Marty changes history into the Hildale we saw at the beginning of the movie and he arrives home to find that his dad is a loser and Biff Bitch and his mom is fat and he doesn't have the big truck? And the Marty the we saw in the beginning of the movie switches it back and the two of them switch switch time back and forth forever with a prefect equilibrium.

but if there's only ONE 1955?

it would require intermittently/alternately for each Marty to be annihilated by the other, both trying to renter timespace into the same temporal-local in their Deloreans Hisenberganly that each Marty would create the others universe at the expense of their own, and if they didn't, then the other wouldn't create their alternate-self to create that other ones alternate-self to cre... Chicken and the egg, you dig?

Ethel was hot.

Why did she marry Fred?

He was 20 years her senior and sour.
 
perhaps Hilldale is a shit-hole in both time lines and doesn't change that much just cause Biff becomes the richest douchebag on the face of the earth

It was. The "idea" being that today's proposed high-class sub-division is tomorrow's slum. When the cabbie drops Old Biff off at Future Marty's street he warns that this is a "rough neighborhood." The McFlys are also supposed to be on the low side of "middle class" due to Marty's Beta-ness. Hilldale is supposed to be in a bad part of town (even the novelization says this) this is all before Biff has the chance to make any changes.
 
The thing that gets me the most about the last two movies is how hypocritical Doc is!
Not to mention the fact that in several occasions Doc plainly states that the time machine is dangerous and it should be destroyed. Then he... um... builds another one and brings along all of his family? Say what?!
 
The point of the Time Train obviously as ridiculous a concept as it was to clearly show that Doc would be back and that like the refrigerator could build anything he wanted to given the right motivation. I don't see it as a contradiction. Had everything worked out the way Doc originally wanted to I could see him dismantling the car inside of the garage of the mansion if the two of them had come back somehow the conventional way. The Train served for dramatic and creative purposes so that Doc and Marty could have their reunion and Jennifer could ask her lame question about destiny. An obvious question stemming from the appearance would have been where the fuck would Doc have been able to produce the material to construct the time machine? Also by the appearance of his family at least six or seven years have passed (I'm guessing that Jules and Verne are around that age, I can't remember what age they were in the animated series). It was also to probably display Doc as a real life H.G Wells or the Time Machine creator...
 
If you're looking for plot holes in the trilogy, there are bigger ones. The biggest is probably that Doc takes Marty and Jen into 2015, which should have erased the future McFly family in the first place. The two Bobs hadn't thought through the implications of what was intended to be a mere gag joke at the end of the first movie.

The biggest problem for that entire sequence is that it is entirely unnecessary in the first place. I know they felt that they had to give the audience what they teased at the end of the first movie. There could have been a better way to handle it though. The first problem is the obvious lie from Doc about how Jennifer and Marty turned out fine. They are far from fine. They live in a crappy neighbourhood. Marty is an asshole and a complete loser who raised a loser of a son. The events and issues that led Marty Jr to be arrested started long before Doc Jennifer and Marty showed up in 2015. There is no rational or logical reason for Doc to take them on that mission in the first place. Going forward in time and altering events that wont happen for another 30 years is just plain stupid. Just knowing what happens would be enough for Marty and Jennifer to change things. There is no need to insert yourself into events that have not happened yet. That just opens the universe up to the very paradoxes that Doc is so worried about.
 
The point of the Time Train obviously as ridiculous a concept as it was to clearly show that Doc would be back and that like the refrigerator could build anything he wanted to given the right motivation. I don't see it as a contradiction. Had everything worked out the way Doc originally wanted to I could see him dismantling the car inside of the garage of the mansion if the two of them had come back somehow the conventional way. The Train served for dramatic and creative purposes so that Doc and Marty could have their reunion and Jennifer could ask her lame question about destiny. An obvious question stemming from the appearance would have been where the fuck would Doc have been able to produce the material to construct the time machine? Also by the appearance of his family at least six or seven years have passed (I'm guessing that Jules and Verne are around that age, I can't remember what age they were in the animated series). It was also to probably display Doc as a real life H.G Wells or the Time Machine creator...

Well, it's somewhat reasonable that Doc could build the "refrigerator" out of 19th century materials. A fridge doesn't really require any really complicated electronics to work just a way to compress a gas, something that could've been done with a steam engine. Granted it probably would take a steam engine and a system the size of a barn to do this but it's possible. The time machine, however, would likely require electronics, computer technology and, most importantly, a way to produce a shit-load of power. Somewhat harder to pull this off in 1885/the 1890s.

So let us talk about the problem Marty and Doc have in Part 3, namely power the DeLorean. Getting gas from the 1885 version of the DeLorean is out of the question. First of all you don't store a car for a long-period of time with gas in it. Second of all tampering with the DeLorean would endanger Doc's plan of getting it to Marty, a plan that had worked. Why risk messing things up?

But, Doc really couldn't find a way to power the DeLorean? Oil and gasoline and automobiles did exist in 1885. They were very, very, rare to be sure. But they were out there. Doc can make the "Presto-logs" and he can make a fridge but he can't get a hold of a couple gallons of crude oil and find a way to refine it into unleaded gasoline? But they only had a week! You say?

They could've had more time. The situation with Bufford could've easily been resolved. Doc and Marty could've snuck out of town to get out of Dodge, esp after the festival when they know Bufford's weekend schedule, or Doc could've simply tried to make peace with Bufford by offering him the $100 for Bufford's troubles and grievance he had with Doc. Considering the complexity of Doc's shop, his willingness to work on Clara's telescope for free (as well as pay for her horses and buckboard) money is obviously not much of an issue for him. Pay the madman his money; head to a city where you know there may be first-generation cars, and gasoline, available.

Operating the car on the train-tracks is dangerous and stupid. Marty came within seconds of crashing into a locomotive. (I could also argue that the width of traintracks have changed between turn-of-the-century steam trains and modern-day diesels, and also that the bridge's design is clearly not one from the 19th century is a of modern design and that over the course of 100 years is entirely likely the bridge would've been destroyed and rebuilt or changed in some small manner.)

Yeah this is all very petty nitpicking in and otherwise excellent movie but I think all of the plot holes we can find in the second and third movies just shows how bad of an idea it was to write and produce them both at the same time.
 
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I have always liked III...I know most fans could care less about it.

I've always liked #3, it bought the trilogy to a good end. Back t the Future has always been one of my favourite time travel film series (still is).

No matter how you look at it and try to explain Biff's appearance he should not be there, these time changes should be pretty instant. The old Biff now in the new 2015 should have a totally different life and look. I have seen the cut scene where Biff returns with the car and then fades out, it is one part of the film that makes no sense.
 
and, wasn't the Brown mansion saved from burning down in BTTFF1?

I don't think so but we'll have to wait for the BluRay to know for sure.

I'm pretty sure it happened some time after 1955. I can't read the newspaper's date on the DVD, though, to prove it.


No matter how you look at it and try to explain Biff's appearance he should not be there, these time changes should be pretty instant. The old Biff now in the new 2015 should have a totally different life and look.

At the end of part 1 we see "original" Marty come back to the "new" timeline. In that cut scene we see "original" Biff come back, exactly the same as what happened to Marty.

Why would you expect Biff's experience to be different than Marty's?
 
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