What's wrong with Worf being the tactical officer of the Enterprise?
Why didn't Nero just destroy the star that went nova?
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What's wrong with Worf being the tactical officer of the Enterprise?
Like how Chekov came back in IV, V and VI and moved from a first officer position to..... a second officer position on the Enterprise-A. Sounds like a logical career move.
The first thought I had when Worf was promoted to Federation Ambassador was that kind of job didn't currently fit Worf and he would not last long.
Now in reality, I was not a fan of Nemesis. I'm just playing devils advocate with the Worf thing.
The point still stands that Chekov was never taking over anybody's job and pushing them off to the side.
My point was never that it doesn't make sense for a character to refuse advancement (or even taking on a job that may not be as prestigious) to stay with a familiar group of people. That's happened many times on Trek, and it happens in real life a lot too.
So.... Worf didn't take over anyone's job or push anyone off to the side, and took a job that was not as prestigious to stay with a familar group of people. So we agree then.
Actually now that I think about it, Worf was in red, not yellow in Nemesis, so his job description / title was different than when the E-D was destoryed. He was obviously in more of a command position.
I think it would have worked well if Worf was to be Riker's first officer and was just along for the ride (as usual). Or Worf was slated to be 2nd officer of the E-E, since Data was to get the 1st officer spot.
Wrong. He took over the position at tactical/security, when there was already an officer at that position who probably had more knowledge of the ship. Whoever the officer was just bent over and took it whenever Worf came aboard. Chekov never did this, as there was never a position for him to usurp.
I don't recall seeing that in the movie.
Nope, for a time it was Lt. Daniels.
So perhaps say...... off screen..... one day Daniels is killed. Or requests a transfer. Or is promoted and goes to another starship. Then a little later, Ambassador Worf, who's not liking his new job gets his daily job email from monster.com and sees an opening on the Enterprise.....
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Heck, even if it's not cannon, it's explained in the novels:
Padraig Daniels - 2372 to 2376 - Resigns from Starfleet
Christine Vale - 2376 to Nemesis - Was going to be Riker's first officer, but then let Worf have it when he came back to Starfleet.
Worf - Decided to stay on the Enterprise, so Vale got the job anyway.
So.... no one was pushed aside in the end.
Taking an extra 2 minutes of the movie to explain all that (or something that would be cannon) would have totally fixed Nemesis.
Padraig Daniels - 2372 to 2376 - Resigns from Starfleet
Christine Vale - 2376 to Nemesis - Was going to be Riker's first officer, but then let Worf have it when he came back to Starfleet.
Worf - Decided to stay on the Enterprise, so Vale got the job anyway.
So.... no one was pushed aside in the end.
Taking an extra 2 minutes of the movie to explain all that (or something that would be cannon) would have totally fixed Nemesis.
Who was pushed aside. I realize Worf outranked him, but it would have been more interesting if they worked together and that Daniels was a more important character.
Every other time on Star Trek where anybody ever came along and threatened someone else's job in some way, there was always a big stink about it, and that totally makes sense. Here we're just supposed to accept it so that a character we know can fit in the story.
I suppose that's possible for Nemesis, however improbable. This is why it would've been nice to know why he was there. It's not as simple an off-screen explanation for him or Wesley as it was for Chekov, Sulu, or anyone who was simply promoted.
Taking an extra 2 minutes of the movie to explain all that (or something that would be cannon) would have totally fixed Nemesis.
It was a small symptom of a larger disease that could have been treated.
Still waiting for proof of this in the movie.
The only thing I saw was Daniels gone and Worf there. There is no more evidence that he was pushed aside than there is evidence that he was promoted (like Chekov, Sulu, or anyone who was simply promoted). Or transferred. Or killed. Or Wesley and Daniels traded places and now Daniels is with the Traveler.
Because.....
Worf did all the things a security officer/tactical person would do. When he first comes on board, Picard says he could use help at tactical. What!? What's your tactical officer doing during this insane battle scene? Why isn't he at his station? Why isn't he firing torpedos?
Daniels, despite being the expert of this ship's security and tactical capabilities, is totally subverted. And we all know why it is. It's because the writers wanted to shoehorn Worf in rather than have it make sense.
- If an officer leaves, often times (but not always) they are replaced by promoting an already existing officer.
- Worf just quitting as Ambassador would likely offend Martok and distance him from what he worked so hard for. Interfering with Klingon politics as much as he did, and then distancing himself from Klingons altogether seems dishonorable.
- Returning to Starfleet shouldn't even be a priority for him.
Though interesting, he still wore Martok's house pin on his uniform in Nemesis.
Um.... you're thinking of First Contact. I thought we were talking about Worf being in Nemesis.
Actually, in First Contact, Lt. Daniels didn't seem to be tactical officer. Some unnamed black guy was at the tactical station during the Borg battle and steps aside when Worf showed up. Daniels was simply a random security officer who reports to Worf on the Borg's progress.
In Insurrection Lt. Daniels was tactical officer and presumably chief of security.
In Insurrection Lt. Daniels was tactical officer and presumably chief of security.
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