To be fair, this way they could have an entire series based on the adventures of Neelix..."Ambassador Extraordinaire" or the like...
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Why did they have neelix leave?
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To be fair, this way they could have an entire series based on the adventures of Neelix..."Ambassador Extraordinaire" or the like...
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Brandon Braga, is that you?
To be fair, this way they could have an entire series based on the adventures of Neelix..."Ambassador Extraordinaire" or the like...
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A valid question. And given Lynx' comments in this thread I'd like to hear an answer, too.
If you want to see Ethan Phillips die, then go watch the Shadow. He unloads a pistol into his own face.
But to have actually have seen Neelix die would ave been grand because his last words from his dying breath would most assuredly be a bullet point about his most cherished beloved.
However?
Is that kes, Sam Wildman or Janeway?
If it was Janeway, I wonder if she could have said something like Ivanova's last respects to Marcus after he expired: "I could have at least boffed him once, it's not like I was doing anything else?"
But to have actually have seen Neelix die would ave been grand because his last words from his dying breath would most assuredly be a bullet point about his most cherished beloved.
However?
Is that kes, Sam Wildman or Janeway?
If it was Janeway, I wonder if she could have said something like Ivanova's last respects to Marcus after he expired: "I could have at least boffed him once, it's not like I was doing anything else?"
The thing with Neelix leaving is that they basically addressed the fact (backhandedly) in "The Expanse" (or whichever episode it was where Neelix realized he'd become useless as a guide) that Neelix had chosen to go with them despite knowing that he'd never go home again. Indeed, his home was pretty bleak.
Then all of a sudden, here's a Talaxian colony! With kids! And Neelix has a Talaxian home! And this is more of a home and more of a family than Voyager? The people who brought him back to life? Who spared him from a life of Tuvix?
That was ridiculously convenient.
Anything short of letting him go home with Voyager was a cop-out. In fact, "Homestead" should have been more about the fact that Voyager was his home now.
Then all of a sudden, here's a Talaxian colony! With kids! And Neelix has a Talaxian home! And this is more of a home and more of a family than Voyager? The people who brought him back to life? Who spared him from a life of Tuvix?
That was ridiculously convenient.
Anything short of letting him go home with Voyager was a cop-out. In fact, "Homestead" should have been more about the fact that Voyager was his home now.
^ Eh, I gotta disagree. I know VOY was supposed to have become his family, that's what we were told, but it never really seemed like that to me. Never. All words, not a lot of action. He always seemed a bit out of place and he often seemed as though he felt as though he was...on probation.
That said, it also would have worked really well if, as you described, he found this colony and found to his and everybody else's surprise that he felt more at home on Voyager than with "his" people. That might have been a pretty neat plot twist, if done well.
You're objecting to coincidences in Trek? Goodness.
That said, it also would have worked really well if, as you described, he found this colony and found to his and everybody else's surprise that he felt more at home on Voyager than with "his" people. That might have been a pretty neat plot twist, if done well.
You're objecting to coincidences in Trek? Goodness.
To answer your question: Yes, that's what I want.
Or if they absolutely have to end the series, then they could do like TNG.s "All Good Things" and leave the rest to our imagination and fan fiction stories
^ Oh, my. Well, then here we part company but good. I generally prefer happy endings for the characters I care about, and I also want at least a hint of realism, and to me, your unchanging scenario offers neither of those things.
Doing the same thing year after year after year...isn't a happy ending. It's stagnation. And the reality is, people don't continue to do the same thing year after year after year, not even in Starfleet. They grow and change and if we're lucky, we get to watch them doing so.
So I most definitely disagree. I am actually a bit staggered that you find this idea so appealing. But if that's what you want, I'm glad there are old episodes of VOY (and presumably the other series) that you can still enjoy, novels set during the time period of the show that you prefer, and fanfic.
Doing the same thing year after year after year...isn't a happy ending. It's stagnation. And the reality is, people don't continue to do the same thing year after year after year, not even in Starfleet. They grow and change and if we're lucky, we get to watch them doing so.
So I most definitely disagree. I am actually a bit staggered that you find this idea so appealing. But if that's what you want, I'm glad there are old episodes of VOY (and presumably the other series) that you can still enjoy, novels set during the time period of the show that you prefer, and fanfic.
This is true. I suppose, though, that Neelix was the one person that felt like he would feel a sense of family towards the rest of them. True, he didn't fit in - but he seemed to have that need to try to fit in and to attach to those closeby. I guess the psychological version of Neelix I have in my head is just a lot different than the "real" version of Neelix from the show. Even if they didn't show it to us. Just like they didn't show us destro's shuttle machine.
Yeah, that's more what I was thinking.
I know, right. Might as well object to the lightsabers in "Star Wars."You're objecting to coincidences in Trek? Goodness.
Thing is, These Humans found a world of humans in the 37s, the reputed final episode of season one, and they didn't think twice about it... Talaxians must have weaker convictions than human beings that they can settle for third best and call it a victory.
^ Eh, I gotta disagree. I know VOY was supposed to have become his family, that's what we were told, but it never really seemed like that to me. Never. All words, not a lot of action. He always seemed a bit out of place and he often seemed as though he felt as though he was...on probation.
That said, it also would have worked really well if, as you described, he found this colony and found to his and everybody else's surprise that he felt more at home on Voyager than with "his" people. That might have been a pretty neat plot twist, if done well.
You're objecting to coincidences in Trek? Goodness.
They were his family but lets face it when they got home to Earth they would have all gone their separate ways and become part of new families in their new assignments.
I was very happy for Neelix that he found some of his people. He is a man who needs to keep busy and that colony would benefit greatly from him. One lone Talaxian on earth.. well sure he could have found stuff to do but no one actually needed him like his people did. It felt like what he had been looking for all along.
Neelix was part of a family on Voyager. After they returned to Earth that family would be broken up and he wouldn't really have a function anymore. Really, he hadn't had much of a function on the show for years, other than the questionable "morale officer" sthick and playing godfather.
I liked the way things were handled. Why not let the guy have some happiness with a new family where he was needed and be appreciated?
I liked the way things were handled. Why not let the guy have some happiness with a new family where he was needed and be appreciated?
A few dozen people hiding on a rock circled by enemies?
Remember what Data did when he found a few dozen people hiding on a rock being circled by enemies?
He blew up their aquaduct and asserted that it was time to get out of dodge.
Besides, they can't possibly have a large enough population to live their for longer than 2 or three generations before inbreeding leads to congenital birth defects and idiocy.
Locked up in that bolthole there with those doomed bastards was being sealed up in a comfortable coffin.
Remember what Data did when he found a few dozen people hiding on a rock being circled by enemies?
He blew up their aquaduct and asserted that it was time to get out of dodge.
Besides, they can't possibly have a large enough population to live their for longer than 2 or three generations before inbreeding leads to congenital birth defects and idiocy.
Locked up in that bolthole there with those doomed bastards was being sealed up in a comfortable coffin.
I think you have misunderstood me in some ways. I'm not that rigid when it comes to changes.
I do like happy endings, that's one reason I do like "All Good Things" which was a perfect ending to a great series.
I can accept certain changes as well, the addition of new characters, character development, new missions and some changes in the relations betwenn characters as long as they are positive changes.
If you read my "Strange Dreams" story, then you'll see that it's an attempt to adapt my stories to the "after-Endgame" scenario. I have some unfinished stories "in the can" which also takes place in the same time and space so I'm not totally bound to seasons 1-3 when it comes to Voyager.
What I don't like are negative changes. Kes being destroyed, Neelix dumped and Janeway killed off are what I call negative changes. To be honest, I'm not that happy with Tuvok being gone either.
I wish there was a way to keep that great team together for possible missions in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants (and maybe in the Delta and Gamma Quadrants as well).
There are old episodes to watch and many good books to read. But being restricted to old stuff can be a bit monotone sometimes. However, the current direction of the "relaunch" gives me no other options.
As for fan-fiction, there are a lot of good stories out there. But many of them are so short!
Neelix wasn't "dumped"!! He found his PEOPLE, a woman to love, a child who needed a father (always an important part of Neelix's character) and a community that could give much to. It was a happy ending for Neelix, not a negative one.
If Neelix was so indispensable, i don't see why they didn't upload his brain into a hologram to be accessed for moral and cookery emergencies of just an all out clone...
The whole thing smacks of a psychotic break.
The impossible colony which promoted this hedgehog to godemperor, affording him a teenager to frak and a child to raise in his image is a "happy place" his mind must have invented to run away to while his body atrophies reduced to a fugue state
Sounds like a story ben Russel would invent.
The whole thing smacks of a psychotic break.
The impossible colony which promoted this hedgehog to godemperor, affording him a teenager to frak and a child to raise in his image is a "happy place" his mind must have invented to run away to while his body atrophies reduced to a fugue state
Sounds like a story ben Russel would invent.
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