Why did they change so many of the Ent-D sounds in Generations?

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies I-X' started by The Rock, Apr 30, 2020.

  1. The Rock

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    I know this is going to sound like a really weird nitpick, but it's always kind of bothered me that the noises we heard from inside the Enterprise-D in TNG were changed in Generations. The doorbell chime, the red alert klaxon, and even the bloops and bleeps of console presses (yes, I'm such a nerd that I even noticed console presses sounds) were different in the movie as compared to TNG.

    Why is this? Why couldn't they have just kept the same Ent-D interior noises from TNG? The changed sounds, along with the darker interior lighting and the re-done bridge (though I will admit that was a really cool bridge renovation that I wish they had done in the show) makes me think of the Ent-D in TNG and the Ent-D in Generations as two different ships, EVEN THOUGH they were of course the same ship. And yes, this bothers me for some bizarre reason.

    Anyone know where I'm coming from?
     
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  2. NCC-73515

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    I never noticed that, they seemed similar...
     
  3. Qonundrum

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    The soundtrack betrays the movie originally having the TV series sound effects in the movie, which were then changed for the VOY sounds in the home video release. Along with a couple other changes, including a slightly extended crash sequence with the saucer gliding down through the atmosphere, of which I more or less remember because I saw this twice in the theater. There was no real reason to change the sound effects, especially between releases.

    The revamped interior lighting, to me, was awesome - but like or dislike that motif, it was due to 7 year-old sets having more nicks, dings, dents, and scratches in them that would show up big-time on a big screen.
     
  4. STEPhon IT

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    The Rock, I thought the sound effects from the 1701-D were modifications, upgrades Geordi had a fascination in doing for his ship. The additions of the bridge I thought were a way for the stunt people to launch off from them when the ship was in battle. My issue with the Enterprise was how slow it moved during the fight between the Klingon ship especially when it was established that ship was no match for them. Despite penetrating the Enterprise defensive screens, I thought the power from the ship's phasers should've crippled the Klingon ship destroying its shield grids. The sequence didn't make Riker, Data and of course Worf look good; they are better than that and I thought they dropped the ball.
     
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  5. F. King Daniel

    F. King Daniel Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    I loved the lighting in Generations. I'm really happy Discovery adopted a similar "light the sets from the nearby stars outside" look.
     
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    They wouldn't have. The only reason the bridge was modified, was so it'd fit in widescreen.
     
  7. M'rk son of Mogh

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    That and they had more money to throw at having more extras manning the additional stations.
     
  8. The Rock

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    Wait, the theatrical version had the original TNG sound effects?! Wow. I watched it in the theater back when it came out and it was so long ago that I didn't remember that at all. But yup, I still have the soundtrack for Generations and yup, the sound effects section of the soundtrack definitely has the TNG door chime for sure.
     
  9. Vger23

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    In-universe, it was always pretty obvious to me that the Enterprise had undergone a minor refit between AGT and GEN, as evidenced by the changes to the bridge.

    Maybe they just installed the latest operating system update into the main computer, complete with the new sound package.
     
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  10. NCC-73515

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    I just watched it again, here's what I noticed:

    TNG: Intercom, doors, tricorder? (seems different, but similar), sensor alerts
    new: computer confirmation, red alert, transporter, doorbell (VOY).

    I also noticed that there is a new corridor in engineering between the pool table and the main control station, and no ambient bridge sound :shrug:
     
  11. Workbee

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    That extra corridor was always there - it was just “plugged” by wall panels either side. For longer corridor scenes, they pulled them out and framed the shot so you just saw corridor. You can see it there in early season 1 episodes. And if you look carefully, you can see the carpet has “gaps” in the border color showing where the corridor was.
     
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  12. David cgc

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    Though the second season took that beyond reason, where not only was their sunlight streaming in through the windows, the view out the windows was flat white, from every angle.

    Yep. They added side consoles in "Yesterday's Enterprise" and liked the look, but they'd constantly need an extra two-plus people to sit at them (unlike the back stations, which are hidden from view, and the chairs fold away, so it's not as obvious that they're empty), and that was deemed to be a waste of money that could go to other things that weren't mere embellishment for a set we always see.
     
  13. ATimson

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    My assumption has been that it was an issue due to royalties for the sound effects libraries. Even the Abrams movies stayed away from the classic TOS/TNG Red Alert klaxon, despite featuring it in one of the trailers.
     
  14. Paul755

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    Yeah, this is what I always assumed too.
     
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  15. saladdays

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    Now that I know that some of the sound effects changed, I will for sure notice them. I have the soundtrack as well, and I know that those are the same effects as on TV, but I suppose I just never really noticed too much in subsequent years after watching the film away from the theater.