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Why did the crew go to the Genesis planet in ST III?

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What would have made Kirk + co. go to the Genesis planet? They had no idea that Spock's body had soft landed on the planet and that he was essentially coming back to life.

When Kirk first encounters McCoy in Spock's quarters, Spock/McCoy tells Kirk to "climb the steps of Mt. Seleya" He never says go to Genesis and pick up Spock's body.

When Sarek visted Kirk and mind melded with him he told Kirk to bring McCoy to Vulcan so both Spock and McCoy would be at peace. He never mentioned anything about going to Genesis. Even if he did how would Sarek know that Spock's body soft landed on Genesis after being shot out from deep space?

Am I missing something here?
 
There's a cut bit — don't know if it was filmed or not — that's in the shooting script (not to mention the adult novelization and the kids' storybook) where Kirk gets a communiqué from Starfleet informing him that Spock's torpedo tube was found intact on Genesis. (The shooting script that's online had the Grissom/Genesis planet scenes a bit more spread out, and a bit earlier in the story.)

So Kirk would have known the tube was intact (and the body presumably inside) when Sarek asks him to bring McCoy and the body to Vulcan.
 
Am I missing something here?

This should be a FAQ.

Due to last minute editing, the discovery of Spock's coffin, intact, on Genesis, was made even earlier, and Kirk is actually seen hearing the news. (They had been expecting the tube to perish in orbit.) The finding of Spock's coffin was haunting him, not just Spock's death, as in the re-dubbed voiceover.

But, even as is, it still works.

The novelization goes into more detail about the ritual Sarek wanted for Spock. Significant Vulcans have an opportunity for their katra, or "living spirit", to reside in the Hall of Ancient Thought. When that Vulcan is near death, the katra is passed to another Vulcan, temporarily. Then deceased body and living soul are briefly reunited though a melding ritual and the katra joins the katra collective. Spock's body was irradiated and buried offship, but - had Kirk been the katra carrier, as Sarek assumed - and a Vulcan carrier would already know, and Kirk was supposed to know, through Spock's katra - to return the body and soul to Vulcan.

Sarek states, assuming Kirk has the katra, that Spock would have asked Kirk to return his body to Mt Selaya, but "he wouldn't have asked it openly".

When Kirk first encounters McCoy in Spock's quarters, Spock/McCoy tells Kirk to "climb the steps of Mt. Seleya" He never says go to Genesis and pick up Spock's body.
But Sarek does want the return of the dead body. The meld to McCoy was not fully successful. McCoy was saying to "climb the steps of Mt Selaya", but no one knew why. Sarek would have already been informed of the discovery of Spock's coffin, and now he wants to get the body back for the ritual. But Kirk delares he and Spock couldn't touch at the time of death.

They had no idea that Spock's body had soft landed on the planet and that he was essentially coming back to life.
Exactly, which is why Sarek requests a different ritual at the end, startling T'Lar. The Fal Tor Pan reunites katra and a living body, not with the katra community. It was a rare request.

When Sarek visted Kirk and mind melded with him he told Kirk to bring McCoy to Vulcan so both Spock and McCoy would be at peace. He never mentioned anything about going to Genesis. Even if he did how would Sarek know that Spock's body soft landed on Genesis after being shot out from deep space?
David Marcus and Saavik filed a report about the soft-landing (long before investigating and finding baby Spock.) The "by the book" Grissom captain asked Starfleet for permission to beam them down, and told them why. So Sarek was wanting the return of what he assumed was Spock's corpse, still in its photon tube, for the katra ritual.
 
Thanks for the help guys.

I've seen this movie 100 times over the years and just realized last night (after watching it for the 101st time) that they had no obvious motivation to go to the Genesis planet.
 
Thanks for the help guys.

I've seen this movie 100 times over the years and just realized last night (after watching it for the 101st time) that they had no obvious motivation to go to the Genesis planet.
I think your wrong there, IMO maybe the lifeless body is still needed in the ritual to preserve the "Katra" in the Ancient Hall of Thought.
 
The script that I saw online had the Grissom coming to Genesis at the very begining of the movie, finding the tube and reporting back to Starfleet. Kirk's personal log is changed to where the discovery of Spock's tube has him unsettled. Also the comic adaptation had the same thing.
 
Thanks for the help guys.

I've seen this movie 100 times over the years and just realized last night (after watching it for the 101st time) that they had no obvious motivation to go to the Genesis planet.


Well, Kirk meets old Spock on an ice planet when he is young, so it would be obvious Spock is somehow alive on Genesis when Kirk is older, but then again why go back to spacedock when he knows....., damn, sorry, I think I am mixing things up here.
 
I always figured that Spock's Katra was trying to get back to his body. Hence why McCoy was sent to the Federation funny farm for trying to book passage there. The rest of the crew probably believed that he was onto something and did everything in their power to get him there.
 
Thanks for the help guys.

I've seen this movie 100 times over the years and just realized last night (after watching it for the 101st time) that they had no obvious motivation to go to the Genesis planet.


Well, Kirk meets old Spock on an ice planet when he is young, so it would be obvious Spock is somehow alive on Genesis when Kirk is older, but then again why go back to spacedock when he knows....., damn, sorry, I think I am mixing things up here.
Um...wtf?
 
Am I missing something here?

This should be a FAQ.

Due to last minute editing, the discovery of Spock's coffin, intact, on Genesis, was made even earlier, and Kirk is actually seen hearing the news. (They had been expecting the tube to perish in orbit.) The finding of Spock's coffin was haunting him, not just Spock's death, as in the re-dubbed voiceover.

But, even as is, it still works.

The shooting script solves almost ALL the "plot hole" problems ("why did X do Y?" type stuff). It was laid out significantly different from the final cut.

The novelization goes into more detail about the ritual Sarek wanted for Spock. Significant Vulcans have an opportunity for their katra, or "living spirit", to reside in the Hall of Ancient Thought. When that Vulcan is near death, the katra is passed to another Vulcan, temporarily. Then deceased body and living soul are briefly reunited though a melding ritual and the katra joins the katra collective. Spock's body was irradiated and buried offship, but - had Kirk been the katra carrier, as Sarek assumed - and a Vulcan carrier would already know, and Kirk was supposed to know, through Spock's katra - to return the body and soul to Vulcan.

Sarek states, assuming Kirk has the katra, that Spock would have asked Kirk to return his body to Mt Selaya, but "he wouldn't have asked it openly".

Which would have been a back-door canonization of those concepts, which originated in the novels, IIRC. This of course is pre-Arnold, when the franchise was considered a bit more "integrated".
 
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