Why did Spock not try to [spoilers]?

[RoJoHen]

Re: Why did Spock not try to save vulcan?

Spock knew of Delta Vega from the first Galactic Barrier mission, and knew of some outposts on the planet,

You are confusing Delta Vegas. The Delta Vega Kirk and Spock were dropped on was located in the Vulcan star system near to Vulcan and was not the same Delta Vega from the Galactic barrier mission.
Abrams pretty much said this was the case and said he just threw the name Delta Vega in there as an easter egg for trek fans.

I didnt catch that one, i assumed he used the same planet, but wouldnt that confuse the hell outa the fans using one name for two different planets if we didnt know about that teeny weeny little detail.

And on the whole, as vulcan was so close in the mind meld scene, it was obviously a meld visualisation for Kirk to relate to. So, i assumed it was the same DV.

Is there a link just out of interest, duno how i missed that detail.

It could have been something made just for the mind meld, but that would miss the point of Nero having Spock watch his homeworld be destroyed. Spock had to have seen it happening.

 

[shakov]

Re: Why did Spock not try to save vulcan?

So if the outpost was near, would it not make sense to try to warn vulcan? Does the movie indicate how long Spock had been there? The novel indicates that he had been there several weeks.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Re: Why did Spock not try to save vulcan?

Spock said he was left on the planet to watch Vulcan be destroyed and to feel helpless, the meld showed that Vulcan could be seen in the sky. Kirk was also jettisoned from the ship almost immediately so it stands to reason this Delta Vega was in the Vulcan star system.

Besides like I said in another thread, who says it's Delta Vega? could be Dalta Vrega. There's a difference you know.

 

[RoJoHen]

Re: Why did Spock not try to save vulcan?

So if the outpost was near, would it not make sense to try to warn vulcan? Does the movie indicate how long Spock had been there? The novel indicates that he had been there several weeks.

The movie does not say, but several weeks seems like too long a time.

 

[Phily B]

Re: Why did Spock not try to save vulcan?

Could he have gotten there in time? I always assumed that Nero dropped him off, then set a course for Vulcan straight afterwards - that'd give him an hour and why would Starfleet believe him? If you ran up to a military outpost and started rambling on about how Vulcan was going to be destroyed..

 

[RoJoHen]

Re: Why did Spock not try to save vulcan?

Spock said he was left on the planet to watch Vulcan be destroyed and to feel helpless, the meld showed that Vulcan could be seen in the sky. Kirk was also jettisoned from the ship almost immediately so it stands to reason this Delta Vega was in the Vulcan star system.

Based on how close they actually were, I am lead to believe that Delta Vega might actually be a moon of Vulcan.

 

[shakov]

Re: Why did Spock not try to save vulcan?

So do you think that Vulcan was destroyed shortly after Spock was left there?

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Re: Why did Spock not try to save vulcan?

Spock said he was left on the planet to watch Vulcan be destroyed and to feel helpless, the meld showed that Vulcan could be seen in the sky. Kirk was also jettisoned from the ship almost immediately so it stands to reason this Delta Vega was in the Vulcan star system.

Based on how close they actually were, I am lead to believe that Delta Vega might actually be a moon of Vulcan.

Quite possible.

So do you think that Vulcan was destroyed shortly after Spock was left there?

That's certainly my belief. Dropped him of on a nearby planet or moon so he could watch helplessly and then blasted Vulcan minutes later.

 

[darthraidr]

Re: Why did Spock not try to save vulcan?

i get a kick out of the thought that Spock had to be sitting outside every day, all day long for the chance to see Vulcan get destroyed... what if he had been sleeping? or one of those monsters was outside at that moment? Spock may not even have known he missed the destruction of Vulcan... good thing he looked up at the exact right moment.

 

[RoJoHen]

Re: Why did Spock not try to save vulcan?

Yes. I mean, Nero was already there. I have no idea why he would wait very long to destroy Vulcan once he dropped Spock off.

 

[Basil]

Re: Why did Spock not try to save vulcan?

Why not beam whole sections of his space drill away or even just key parts instead of having to parachute over? Heck, why not beam a photon torpedo on auto destruct into the vicinity? There are a million variables for what could be done, but I don't think this film was meant to be scrutinized.

Actually, the film takes care of this one. Transporting (like communications) is not available when the drill is pulsating.

Yes, while pulsating. The point is the technology in Star Trek frequently makes what the characters end up doing seem rather silly when there are simpler alternatives. Heck, put a photon torpedo onboard a shuttle craft and detonate it close to the drill. (If the idea is Shinzon -- er, Nero -- could scan it, how come he couldn't scan three extra people aboard the shuttlecraft carrying Pike?) Why not have Pike's shuttle fly in on remote and self-destruct when aboard the Scimitar -- er, Narada?

 

[USSPhilippi]

Re: Why did Spock not try to save vulcan?

Why not beam whole sections of his space drill away or even just key parts instead of having to parachute over? Heck, why not beam a photon torpedo on auto destruct into the vicinity? There are a million variables for what could be done, but I don't think this film was meant to be scrutinized.

Actually, the film takes care of this one. Transporting (like communications) is not available when the drill is pulsating.

Yes, while pulsating. The point is the technology in Star Trek frequently makes what the characters end up doing seem rather silly when there are simpler alternatives. Heck, put a photon torpedo onboard a shuttle craft and detonate it close to the drill. (If the idea is Shinzon -- er, Nero -- could scan it, how come he couldn't scan three extra people aboard the shuttlecraft carrying Pike?) Why not have Pike's shuttle fly in on remote and self-destruct when aboard the Scimitar -- er, Narada?

Of course the real reason is that the writers wanted to put in an orbital skydiving scene, I suspect this is possibly because the one at the beginning of Generations (and that is described in the novelization of that movie) did not make the final cut.

 

[shakov]

Re: Why did Spock not try to save vulcan?

Not to go off topic, but why wouldn't Spock try to correct the timeline at some point to correct the damge that had been done by Nero? Is it because he recognized the new timeline as an alternate reality, and not "his" universe.

 

[RoJoHen]

Re: Why did Spock not try to save vulcan?

Time travel should only be used as a last resort.

 

[shakov]

Re: Why did Spock not try to save vulcan?

As a last resort!!?? This should go for writers as well

 

[RoJoHen]

I absolutely agree.

 

[Classic Fan]

Re: Why did Spock not try to save vulcan?

Spock said he was left on the planet to watch Vulcan be destroyed and to feel helpless, the meld showed that Vulcan could be seen in the sky. Kirk was also jettisoned from the ship almost immediately so it stands to reason this Delta Vega was in the Vulcan star system.

Based on how close they actually were, I am lead to believe that Delta Vega might actually be a moon of Vulcan.

Well in that case, if it isnt a meld visual, and it is a moon, wheres the massive gravitational shift of the Vulcan system? Unless the moon was a trpoical looking rain forrest prior to detonation.

 

[RoJoHen]

Re: Why did Spock not try to save vulcan?

Spock said he was left on the planet to watch Vulcan be destroyed and to feel helpless, the meld showed that Vulcan could be seen in the sky. Kirk was also jettisoned from the ship almost immediately so it stands to reason this Delta Vega was in the Vulcan star system.

Based on how close they actually were, I am lead to believe that Delta Vega might actually be a moon of Vulcan.

Well in that case, if it isnt a meld visual, and it is a moon, wheres the massive gravitational shift of the Vulcan system? Unless the moon was a trpoical looking rain forrest prior to detonation.

There is a cut line where Spock yells, "This is Delta Vega! Vulcan exploded 6 minutes after I was left here."

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Re: Why did Spock not try to save vulcan?

Spock said he was left on the planet to watch Vulcan be destroyed and to feel helpless, the meld showed that Vulcan could be seen in the sky. Kirk was also jettisoned from the ship almost immediately so it stands to reason this Delta Vega was in the Vulcan star system.

Based on how close they actually were, I am lead to believe that Delta Vega might actually be a moon of Vulcan.

Well in that case, if it isnt a meld visual, and it is a moon, wheres the massive gravitational shift of the Vulcan system? Unless the moon was a trpoical looking rain forrest prior to detonation.

The blackhole would mimic the gravity of Vulcan since it's size would be dependant on the mass that it sucked in, and since the mass it sucked in was Vulcan then there's ya answer. The moon would continue to orbit the blackhole same as it did with Vulcan.

On another note it's quite possible the Moon was simply released from Vulcans gravity upon it's destruction and it is now simply in orbit of the parent star with limited visual change of note.

 

[Classic Fan]

Re: Why did Spock not try to save vulcan?

Based on how close they actually were, I am lead to believe that Delta Vega might actually be a moon of Vulcan.

Well in that case, if it isnt a meld visual, and it is a moon, wheres the massive gravitational shift of the Vulcan system? Unless the moon was a trpoical looking rain forrest prior to detonation.

The blackhole would mimic the gravity of Vulcan since it's size would be dependant on the mass that it sucked in, and since the mass it sucked in was Vulcan then there's ya answer. The moon would continue to orbit the blackhole same as it did with Vulcan.