Sarek only tells Kirk Spock's Katra is alive in McCoy and he has to get it to Mount Seleya .
Still Kirk's first reaction is to want to leave for Genesis.
Still Kirk's first reaction is to want to leave for Genesis.
Why did Kirk go to the Genesis Planet?
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Sarek also wanted Spock's body: "One alive, the other not yet both in pain." he reasoned that it and McCoy were joined but do to the less the ideal circumstances of the Katra transfer it was driving McCoy mad. At the time he was expecting for them to return a corpse, not a restarted Spock to him at Mt Seleya.
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Kirk thought Sarek said to climb the steps of Mount Sussudio, so naturally he got distracted and went to Genesis by mistake.
It also helps the movie that by then, we already get a hint as viewers that Spock may still be alive in the first Grissom scene (although the movie title should be enough to anyone 
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In any case the conversation between Kirk and the Admiral seems odd to me. He talks about saving Spock's immortal soul, but never says why he needs to go to Genesis so badly.
And Sarek, Vulcan customs aside, is imo acting like an ass. He insists Kirk needs to bring both to Vulcan, endangering the peace and his career in the process, when returning the Katra should be the priority.
But I guess those crazy Vulcans just want it all and they want it right now. Of course, leaving for genesis immediately turned out to be the right thing to do...
). In any case the conversation between Kirk and the Admiral seems odd to me. He talks about saving Spock's immortal soul, but never says why he needs to go to Genesis so badly.
And Sarek, Vulcan customs aside, is imo acting like an ass. He insists Kirk needs to bring both to Vulcan, endangering the peace and his career in the process, when returning the Katra should be the priority.
But I guess those crazy Vulcans just want it all and they want it right now. Of course, leaving for genesis immediately turned out to be the right thing to do...
How would have Kirk known that the torpedo landed on Genesis, though? Or that it would even have survived the landing?
Well, while the mission of the Grissom was politically delicate, and probably supersecret, it was also big news. Not to mention that Kirk's son was aboard... Kirk would have had a keen interest in following that mission in detail, and all sorts of Starfleet channels to learn about its findings.
And Captain Esteban duly reported everything back to Starfleet ASAP, that much was made painfully clear!
Timo Saloniemi
And Captain Esteban duly reported everything back to Starfleet ASAP, that much was made painfully clear!
Timo Saloniemi
I created a thread about this awhile back.
It is a glaring plothole in the movie.
I still like it though...
It is a glaring plothole in the movie.
I still like it though...
I recall Bones saying that he needed to be returned to Vulcan, and that he didn't start looking for transit to Genesis until after Sarek requested Kirk returned for the body
The shooting script had a lot of scenes in a different order. The film opened with the Grissom on Genesis, not the Enterprise returning to Spacedock.
http://www.st-minutiae.com/academy/literature329/tsfs.txt
Note the dialgoue changes in Kirks's personal log in Scene 5. In the final cut of the movie all the Grissom stuff comes much later on. He couldnt talk about finding the tube as it hadnt happened yet.
interesting. that would have been much better.
The devil made him do it?
lets look at Sareks dialog.
if i remember it was something like this:
Sarek: one alive one not, yet both in pain.
Kirk: what must i do?
Sarek: you must bring THEM to mt. selea on vulcan...
THEM.... sarek was talking about the combined Spock and McCoy, but because Kirk doesnt understand Vulcan Mysticsm he thought Sarek meant both McCoy and Spocks physical bodies.
if i remember it was something like this:
Sarek: one alive one not, yet both in pain.
Kirk: what must i do?
Sarek: you must bring THEM to mt. selea on vulcan...
THEM.... sarek was talking about the combined Spock and McCoy, but because Kirk doesnt understand Vulcan Mysticsm he thought Sarek meant both McCoy and Spocks physical bodies.
Maybe the best scene to "fix" it would be the crew meeting just before Sarek arrives. Kirk could tell them he's in contact with David and there's strange things going on there- Spock's coffin being empty and all.
So the protomatter isn't enough; David also has to be a security leak?
I think the answer is no...
i disagree and heres why....
-does the planet really have to explode? sure it gave us some pretty scenes and a sense of urgency, but in the end the BoP could have flown away and the klingon commander could have just been kicked off a cliff.
-protomatter to acclerate planet and spocks regen? planet blowing up was addressed already. why couldnt spocks body just be regenerated as it was? why did he have to grow again? only reason i see is so that nimoy didnt have to do the whole movie and so spock and savik could get it on.
take out those two plot elements and you would still have the same story.
-does the planet really have to explode? sure it gave us some pretty scenes and a sense of urgency, but in the end the BoP could have flown away and the klingon commander could have just been kicked off a cliff.
-protomatter to acclerate planet and spocks regen? planet blowing up was addressed already. why couldnt spocks body just be regenerated as it was? why did he have to grow again? only reason i see is so that nimoy didnt have to do the whole movie and so spock and savik could get it on.
take out those two plot elements and you would still have the same story.
I always just assumed that Kirk has been notified off screen about Spock's tube being found on Genesis & that having the body was somehow important for the Vulcan ritual to be performed.
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