Why Can't Uhura Speak Klingon in Star Trek VI; Is She a Diffrent Person After Nomad

[jaime]

The Federation isn't real. As as I hate to admit it, we are all discussing fiction.

You don't have a real Federation passport. There is no UFP (United Federation Of Planets). STAR TREK is good science fiction beginning in 1964. Sir.

OK...is there an easy way to upload and link a photo. Because I made sure I had my, not home made, genuine article, federation passport, to hand as I wrote that.

Edit: am lazy, was gonna write today's date and a dedication on my hand and photograph it holding my one of these:
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Federation_Passport

Which would have been more fun than pastaing this link.

 

[jaime]

See, @jaime ? This is why you keep getting "special processing" at airports.

I thought it was my requests for Romulan Ale.

 

[SiddFinch1]

Personally I liked the noncanon books idea of her as a linguist

If you remember at the time the explanation for crunchy vs smooth heads didn't happen yet. I liked the northern vs southern klingon internal battle for power...I just treated like she spoke the smooth/losers language and not the crunchy/winning language so couldn't respond.

 

[Nyotarules]

That much is true. I like to imagine Picard being more English than French is either a result of EU success or failure...Either the 'transmarchant' thing happened, or England/Britain ended up in charge of large swathes of France again after Ww3 took out the EU as a superpower. It certainly explains trying to work out which side his family was on at Waterloo. (or was it Trafalgar)
Either that or all us Europeans sound the same to American TV producers.

Don't let Farrage see this! lol

 

[Nyotarules]

Isn't French a mostly dead language in the 24th Century?
French might be something some people born and raised in France learn on their own for various reasons, but it's not their "native tongue". Might be a thing for traditionalists like the Picards.

Whoever wrote that in Memory alpha knows nothng about French people lol

 

[Nyotarules]

It's interesting to follow that track, because once upon a time French was the accepted language of international diplomacy. It is still spoken today, as the primary tongue, in a number of different parts of the world. What allegedly can be construed to account for this major change in the language's ubiquity on Earth? The war perhaps? Or some development related to the European Union?

Or the Anglocentric bias of the Star Trek writers? As watchers and readers we know when they state the ST world speaks 'Standard' (Standard what?) we know they mean American English is the official languages of the Federation. I doubt the Andorians and Tellarites would let that happen or maybe English is so easy for aliens to learn, they consider it 'simple'?
Having English actors play French people is pure Hollywood or the cultural short sighted of American casting agents.

 

[Nyotarules]

My usual half serious response is the British regained their Continental possessions and the French Crown some time after WWIII. So France is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and France.

Or when they English lost Scotland they invaded France? Their imperialist blood rose again

 

[1001001]

Nyotarules, please don't post 4 times in a row. Use the multi-quote function instead. (+ quote).

Thanks!

 

[jaime]

Or when they English lost Scotland they invaded France? Their imperialist blood rose again

Scotland? Possibly. England never invaded anyone. The Empire was a trading empire started as a reaction to other more military empires that had sworn to the destruction of the English crown, which at the time was on the head of a monarch from a Welsh family, and then passed to the then King of Scotland, later leading to the act of union after Scotland went bankrupt and sought closer ties (Even closer than a shared crown). Of course, that's ignoring the fact that most of the crowned heads of Europe were related quite closely, and England, Wales and Bits of Scotland were invaded by a bunch of sort of Scandinavian French mob, and that there wasn't an English speaking king for about three hundred years.

The idea of course that it was technically Scotland who took over ruling England and not the other way around (and the less said about the adventures of people like Robert the Bruce stomping around Wales or Ireland in cohorts with the 'english' king the better) doesn't suit a certain kind of approach to history or politics these days. The Empire was as much a Scots thing as anything after all, it's only after it morphs into the commonwealth that people get all Independence Party (or Nationalist. And a bit Socialist.) about things.

It's like a big family spat over whose turn it is to take the rubbish out.

Mind you...the Federation in Star Trek sometimes seemed more closely based on the British Empire than it does the United States. It's analogue over in Andromeda is even called The Commonwealth.

There's one for us to ponder....are the Nietschans over in Genes Third Franchise actually Scottish.

 

[T'Girl]

I mean, you go to Starfleet Academy to become an officer...just to fix a radio?

There no evidence that Lt. Uhura (Nichols-Uhura) ever went to Starfleet Academy, nothing on screen. The fact that she was able to crawl into a equipment bay and physically fix equipment suggests to me that perhaps she was originally enlist and rose to an officer as a mustang.

She did say that she hadn't done work like that in years, and she was still a lieutenant in her mid-thirties, so maybe she became a officer later in life?

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[jaime]

There no evidence that Lt. Uhura (Nichols-Uhura) ever went to Starfleet Academy, nothing on screen. The fact that she was able to crawl into a equipment bay and physically fix equipment suggests to me that perhaps she was originally enlist and rose to an officer as a mustang.

She did say that she hadn't done work like that in years, and she was still a lieutenant in her mid-thirties, so maybe she became a officer later in life?

†

She's what...three ranks below captain? And Kirk was young for a Captain.
Of course O'brien later suggests in Ds9 that engineers in general don't do star fleet academy.
Maybe something explaining her uniform colour jump..command to engineering. I assume captains yeoman was security redshirt.

 

[PhaserLightShow]

There no evidence that Lt. Uhura (Nichols-Uhura) ever went to Starfleet Academy, nothing on screen. The fact that she was able to crawl into a equipment bay and physically fix equipment suggests to me that perhaps she was originally enlist and rose to an officer as a mustang.

She did say that she hadn't done work like that in years, and she was still a lieutenant in her mid-thirties, so maybe she became a officer later in life?

†

All Starfleet officers go to Starfleet Academy (don't bring up Wesley; he isn't a full officer). Lt. Uhura is an officer (Lieutenant) so she went to the academy as well (Kirk and McCoy and Sulu and Scotty did, why not Uhura).

 

[Longinus]

Actually, there's some evidence that McCoy didn't go to the Academy. But he's a medical doctor so it makes sense. I don't understand where this idea of Uhura not having gone to the Academy comes from, she obviously did.

 

[PhaserLightShow]

Actually, there's some evidence that McCoy didn't go to the Academy. But he's a medical doctor so it makes sense. I don't understand where this idea of Uhura not having gone to the Academy comes from, she obviously did.

1.) What is that evidence?
2.) If you take into account "Star Trek" (J.J. Abrams movie no.1), then McCoy went into the academy as Kirk's classmate.

 

[Longinus]

@PhaserLightShow

1) He went to the University of Missisippi and was unfamiliar with a term 'dunsel', commonly used in the Academy.
2) I don't. It's an alternate universe.

 

[PhaserLightShow]

@PhaserLightShow

1) He went to the University of Missisippi and was unfamiliar with a term 'dunsel', commonly used in the Academy.
2) I don't. It's an alternate universe.

In response to 2, this thread is discussing a discrepancy between the two universes.

 

[BillJ]

In response to 2, this thread is discussing a discrepancy between the two universes.

And she's a character that went on two different paths in the two universes. One was a linguist, one was an engineer.

Not sure I see the issue?

 

[PhaserLightShow]

And she's a character that went on two different paths in the two universes. One was a linguist, one was an engineer.

Not sure I see the issue?

Engineer?! Uhura? Which one? Both are Comm. Officers/Linguists as they man the Communications console on the Enterprise NCC-1701 (and NCC-1701-A with the prime Uhura).

 

[BillJ]

Engineer?! Uhura? Which one? Both are Comm. Officers/Linguists as they man the Communications console on the Enterprise NCC-1701 (and NCC-1701-A with the prime Uhura).

There is more evidence that Uhura was more of an engineer/technician in the Prime timeline vs. her being a linguist. There is zero things that happen that point to her being a linguist.

 

[PhaserLightShow]

And she's a character that went on two different paths in the two universes. One was a linguist, one was an engineer.

Not sure I see the issue?

Engineer?! Uhura? Which one? Both are Comm. Officers/Linguists aboard the second starship called Enterprise (NCC-1701) and in the case of Prime Uhura, the third (NCC-1701-A). I don't see any engineers (except for Scotty).