Why Are We Accepting a Recast?
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If a film or TV project purports to deal with the TOS era then as an avid TOS fan it isn't out of place for me to remark on it. Simple.Jackson_Roykirk said:
Warped9 --
I'm not trying to be a troll here, but you have stated that you haven't liked anything Star Trek has done in the past 28 years, including the last 9 films and last 4 TV shows. You have also told us that you have no intention of seeing this next film. So why do you find it necessary to repeatedly return to, and post in, this forum -- a forum NOT dedicated to TOS and TMP, the only Star Trek in which you say you have any present or future known interest.
I have no intention on seeing the new 'Mr. Bean' movie, but I would never consider going to a Mr. Bean board (?) to tell that to Mr. Bean fans. What I think about that film would be irrelevant to them. It would not be proper for me to comment on it. So why do you feel it is relevant for a self-described non-fan of anything to do with Star Trek for the past 3 decades to repeatedly tell us that you won't like this film, either.
I, too am a big TOS fan, and grew up watching it throughout the early 1970's (I never even heard of Star Trek when I started watching at 7 years of age...I kept watching it because it enthralled me, not because someone suggested I watch it). I love TOS because of the characters. I think Abrams' idea of going back to those characters, especially the triumvirate of Kirk/Spock/McCoy, is the absolutely right direction to go with the franchise. That's why I feel that this film has the potential to be a great Star Trek film, and possibly a great film in general -- as long as Abrams can well-execute this idea of returning to these iconic charaters.
Again -- I'm not trying to be a jerk here. It's just that you seem very vocal for someone who has had absolutely no interest in the direction Star Trek has taken since 1979.
...and for the record, I think Mr. Bean is harmless fun, but a whole Bean film is just not my cup of tea.
And if you don't like my remarks then feel free to skip my posts. Simple.
Because I dont think 2 corpses and five 75 year olds would work out playing a crew of 20-somethings
Why? I'm not sure why peolpe embrace it but I know why I will embrace it. The reason it's being recast to begin with is because the creative bankrupt people in Hollywood can't be bothered to create something new. Not when something old already exists and they can remake it and ride the coat tails of the brand name. Half their work is already done. Plus Paramount wants the flow of $ to continue.
Whether or not the new cast is accepted has yet to be seen. Initially I though Shatner is Kirk. Period. Cawley can play Kirk. A new actor can play Kirk. But Shatner IS Kirk. In my mind, these new people wanting to play dress up and pretend to be James Kirk is no different than Henry Fonda playing Abe Lincoln. Shatner is the real deal, all others are actors simply potraying him.
But now, with the alternate time line theory in the works, my mind can actually wrap around the new faces much easier. It provides me with a way to say, well these imposters, on this new ship that looks nothing like the Enterprise, who are wearing completely different uniforms and carrying phasers that look like staple guns are simply Kirk and company from an alternate timeline/universe. With one simple plot device they have removed all doubt from my mind and allowed me to really enjoy this film (assuming its any good) without having to rectify the differences. Thank God.
Whether or not the new cast is accepted has yet to be seen. Initially I though Shatner is Kirk. Period. Cawley can play Kirk. A new actor can play Kirk. But Shatner IS Kirk. In my mind, these new people wanting to play dress up and pretend to be James Kirk is no different than Henry Fonda playing Abe Lincoln. Shatner is the real deal, all others are actors simply potraying him.
But now, with the alternate time line theory in the works, my mind can actually wrap around the new faces much easier. It provides me with a way to say, well these imposters, on this new ship that looks nothing like the Enterprise, who are wearing completely different uniforms and carrying phasers that look like staple guns are simply Kirk and company from an alternate timeline/universe. With one simple plot device they have removed all doubt from my mind and allowed me to really enjoy this film (assuming its any good) without having to rectify the differences. Thank God.
"new ship that looks nothing like the Enterprise"?
"imposters"?
"different uniforms"?
"phasers that look like staple guns"?
alternate timeline/universe"?
These are still not confirmed. Why are these being stated as fact?
"imposters"?
"different uniforms"?
"phasers that look like staple guns"?
alternate timeline/universe"?
These are still not confirmed. Why are these being stated as fact?
Well, they'll almost certainly have different uniforms.
Aside from that - hell, there's no "real" Captain Kirk, unlike Lincoln. Shatner was just the first actor to play him, and the guy who replaces him will be no more an impostor than the Shat himself.
Aside from that - hell, there's no "real" Captain Kirk, unlike Lincoln. Shatner was just the first actor to play him, and the guy who replaces him will be no more an impostor than the Shat himself.
This assertion is pretty bankrupt, not to mention tired and lacking in a historical view of the film biz.
Of course using this simplistic logic: Jimi Hendrix was creatively bankrupt for doing what many consider the definitive cover of "All Along the Watchtower" - I mean he's ripping off Bob Dylan and can't write his own poetry...
None of the other things you mentioned about the look or ship are confirmed (The ship might even end up looking the most like the Enterprise from TOS for all we know)
Sharr
Holytomato said:
"new ship that looks nothing like the Enterprise"?
"imposters"?
"different uniforms"?
"phasers that look like staple guns"?
alternate timeline/universe"?
These are still not confirmed. Why are these being stated as fact?
Because, in the context of how I wrote that, it's pretty obvious that these supposed "facts" were nothing more than ramblings of my thought process, commenting on the alternate time-line "theory". Nothing more, nothing less.
Very true. But for almost 40 years, he was the only actor to play Kirk in an official capacity. So yes, Lincoln is real, and it's his face on the Penny and 5 dollar bill. BUt by the same token, William Shatner's likeness has been the only likeness associated with Kirk...ever. (bad art not withstanding!) Shatner has approval over his action figures. His mug has adorned everything from book covers to bed sheets. If it's Kirk, it's Shatner. WHen books are read, the mind's voice speaks like William Shatner. When books are written, the minds voice speaks "Shatner".
So, yes, techncially, Kirk is not real. But the fact that Shatner's look and voice created the character and has sustained it for 40 years is fairly unique and his contribution substantial. Another actor will be coming into the fold, but it's hardly the equivalent of Roger Moore stepping in for Sean Connery or Roger Davis stepping in for Pete Duel.
And for those who are familiar with the latter, it's a textbook example of just how wrong it can go.
You're right...let me take this oppurtunity to thank Hollywood, from the bottom of my heart for those inspired remakes like:
McHales Navy
I Spy
Dukes of Hazzard
The Mod Squad
My Favorite Martian
Bewitched
Fat ALbert
Lost in Space
Wild Wild West
The Avengers
The Flintsones Movie
And of course, this summer's smash hit, Underdog.
That's just some of the movies based on TV...we won't even get to Hollywood remakes of movies, like PLanet of the Apes or Cleopatra, or TV shows remaking TV shows, like Munsters Today or The New Monkees. Then there is the TV remakes of movies or movie remakes of broadway.
And now I hear a Logun's Run and Day the Earth Stood Still remake are in the works as we speak.
You must be very happy.
You missed my point remakes are nothing new and have been with hollywood from the start.
Plus a few of the movies we think of as "classics" aren't original productions at all but redoes or starting with other source material: The Maltese Falcon, Wizard of OZ, The Ten Commandments, The Man Who Knew Too Much. Just to name a few. Cleopatra (The one with Liz Taylor) was an Oscar winning remake...
Look at Cecil B. DeMille's works you'll notice he remade a number of his films.
And the point still stands using your logic Jimi Hendrix was creatively bankrupt since he didn't author "All Along the Watchtower" - Anyone with common sense knows that he wasn't creatively bankrupt because of course the art is in how he executed it, not if he originated the lyrics or not. The same applies to films as well.
Sharr
Why didn't Nimoy play the baby Spock in TFF and the baby, the adolescent, the teen, and the young adult Spock in TSFS? The bastards at Paramount know nothing about what we want!!! Nimoy has a tremendous range. He could've played every age of Spock. Still can!!! Dig up Kelly and Doohan and prop them up at their work stations. They are such great actors they can handle their characters even if they're dead!
Why is has this post lasted 5 pages?????
Why is has this post lasted 5 pages?????
Doohan was cremated.
Not that we should let that be a barrier... Maybe they can draw a face on his urn and have someone off-stage say his lines.
Not that we should let that be a barrier... Maybe they can draw a face on his urn and have someone off-stage say his lines.
No, GR's urn can write the screenplay. But maybe they can dig up Bob Wise (unless he's cremated, too).
Well, there you go... the first all-zombies & ashes version of Star Trek. Sounds like a plan. :thumbsup:
Well, there you go... the first all-zombies & ashes version of Star Trek. Sounds like a plan. :thumbsup:
I'm accepting a recast because it might give Trek a fresh start. One of the bad things about Trek lately is that it has become out of date with the times. It seemed stuck in the 20th century. Now that we're in the 21st, maybe it's a breath of fresh air that Trek needs to make a come back.
Truth hurts.
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