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Why are members/fans? so rude to each other?

It has been interesting to follow the extremes this thread has taken and much very irrelevant to my initial inquiry. I often wonder when people post if they ever take the time to think about how others may perceive what they have written

Well...considering...everything, it looks like the answer is "no". I try my best, but it seems like there's always someone who takes my comments and... well, y'know. But then, it could be worse.

Take a look at The Neutral Zone, and behold all the battles I have to fight. The "petty bickering" over here is NOTHING compared to what goes on over there....

I often wonder...if they really want to come across in the manner they have?

I doubt it. Sarcasm doesn't seem to translate well on the Internet. Many times, post which I took personally, looking back, were probably just poorly-made jokes. *sigh*

Still, my main concern was why certain people seem to think it is necessary to demean and speak down to other members? There is no need to treat other persons with disrespect and bad manners. Unfortunately it seems that it's a few outspoken ones who take on these characteristics and thus they tend to command a more dominant presence with few if any ever challenging their behavior, myself included.

I know what you mean. Ktrek...we need more folks like you. Desperately.

(does "plexing") Y'know, a little conflict is good for the soul...but all this is starting to drive me insane....

Okay, you know what:
:brickwall::brickwall::brickwall::brickwall::brickwall::brickwall:

There. That's better.
 
There is no right to never be offended. No one has the ability to demand that they never get their feelings hurt. Sure, we can and probably should all try to be as respectful as possible, but the fact of the matter is what you consider offensive is based on your own personal standards, which are quite distinct from my own and anyone else's.

For instance, Ktrek, I find your post slightly offensive as written, implying that you know better than those who find it "necessary" to speak down to other members. (For the record: no one finds it necessary. Posting here isn't necessary in any form. We find it interesting, diverting, or worth saying. But moving on.) Obviously your post was not intended in an insulting way, and I ascribe no malice to you. But the phrase "holier than thou" is hardly uncommon, and I regret to inform you that you are coming off that way a bit.

Now, I'm not intending this to be a personal attack - I have nothing against you, I swear. It just happens to be a really good example of why "can't we all just get along?" doesn't work. People are different, people have different ideas of what lines should be crossed, and compounding those differences on messageboards we have the bonus of frequent misinterpretations due to the ambiguity of written text.

This board is about as good as it gets, really. And honestly? If everyone tried to be as politically correct as you, I think I'd find it a much less interesting place.

To a certain extent, I'm glad your voice is present; it's always good to hear the other side of things. But debating "some people might be offended" in the abstract, I think, is ultimately counterproductive. If you personally are offended, there are mods and PMs, etc, for you to say so. Expressing this kind of generic, mild, undirected rebuke seems condescending and unnecessary to me.

I apologize if you find this post offensive, genuinely. You have shown great honesty, so I am trying to do the same in return.


I certainly am not offended in any least way. I think you have some valid points. I certainly do not mean to come across as "holier than thou" as you say but if the standard or bar is never raised how can people ever see that their behavior may not be as good as it should/could be? If nobody ever question why racism is wrong then we would still be living in the mindset of the 1950s. To see something as being wrong does not make a person better than others. I certainly think Martin Luther King would have agreed but if he had never challenged the prevailing views where would we be? And saying such I certainly am in no way trying to compare myself to MLK. Sometimes people need to have their behavior shown for what it is and someone has to be brave enough to have a voice before real change can ever come.

Perhaps my views are too Utopian? I don't know but I do know that in this wonderful show called Star Trek, which we all love, the crew did not treat each other in demeaning ways but worked to bring out the best in each other. Did it mean they always agreed? Definitely not! But they learned to draw on each others strengths instead of demeaning them to make themselves important. I think if the human race is ever going to grow up it will mean to place others before themselves and dwell on the positive and not the negative. And doing what we can to diminish or remove that which is negative in our society. To do so will mean that we may have to be frank and speak honestly to people about their behavior and hopefully it may bring a change within the individual.

Kevin
 
^ I love how in one breath you say you don't want to be seen as "holier than thou," and in the next, you're comparing yourself to Martin Luther King and crediting yourself with moving the world towards utopia with this Pollyanna schtick of yours. Classic.
 
I often wonder when people post if they ever take the time to think about how others may perceive what they have written and if they really want to come across in the manner they have?

I often second guess myself, and go back and edit, re-edit, research... and still end up dissatisfied with how I covered a topic, or else someone finds a flaw in my argument. It's the posts you don't think will be a problem that end up upsetting most people, because you can't anticipate every possible interpretation across international borders, otherwise you'd fix it up in time.

Posting while eating breakfast, then rushing off to work is my albatross. You arrive home and see the havoc you unleashed.
 
^ I love how in one breath you say you don't want to be seen as "holier than thou," and in the next, you're comparing yourself to Martin Luther King and crediting yourself with moving the world towards utopia with this Pollyanna schtick of yours. Classic.

Believe it or not you atcually kind of made my case as to why I started this thread.

Kevin
 
^ I love how in one breath you say you don't want to be seen as "holier than thou," and in the next, you're comparing yourself to Martin Luther King and crediting yourself with moving the world towards utopia with this Pollyanna schtick of yours. Classic.

Believe it or not you atcually kind of made my case as to why I started this thread.

Kevin

So you started this thread to stop people posting the truth? :eek:
 
Honest and frank?

Yeah, I could do that. I don't think certain people would appreciate the results, though. :evil:
 
^ I love how in one breath you say you don't want to be seen as "holier than thou," and in the next, you're comparing yourself to Martin Luther King and crediting yourself with moving the world towards utopia with this Pollyanna schtick of yours. Classic.

Believe it or not you atcually kind of made my case as to why I started this thread.

Kevin
Gee, only "kind of"? :(

Seriously, dude... at least one reason for directing this kind of snark at other members is because they like to get up on their high horses and pretend they are smarter/better/holier than anyone else around, and essentially beg to be knocked down a notch or 47. Sometime insults are earned, and sometimes when you find yourself on the receiving end of a verbal smackdown, you should just consider yourself lucky there's no physical component.
 
This is why I make fun of myself, rather than make fun of or verbally smack other people. I've been hurt enough by words when I was a teenager and in middle/high school; I'd hate to think I hurt somebody else.
 
This is why I make fun of myself, rather than make fun of or verbally smack other people.

That's quite an Aussie trait actually. We do it quite a bit, and it's common in our exported movies and TV - I hadn't realised how much we do self-parody until, while traveling through the US, I was often questioned about it; it seems that many Americans are trained from birth never to put themselves down.

But sometimes people end up putting others down in an attempt to raise themselves up. (I saw an excellent play for kids about school bullying on the weekend, and saw many links to the online environment.)
 
Huh. I didn't know self-parody was an Aussie trait! Can I be an honorary Australian?

Maybe that's why I get funny looks from my friends when I make fun of myself.
 
Aw, shit, we're supposed to make fun of ourselves? Dammit.

*goes off to write apology letter to Dilmore....*
 
Self-depreciating comedy is pretty common here too; goes with the inferiority complex, I think, a sense of still being colonial in one sense or another. And American comedians--or at least, the better ones like Dangerfield and Colbert--are all over self-mockery and self-satire, even if it doesn't seem to trickle down as much as elsewhere (blocked, perhaps, by the Cult of Self-Esteem?).

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
 
Huh. I didn't know self-parody was an Aussie trait! Can I be an honorary Australian?

Frankly, neither did I! Crikey!

This board is about as good as it gets, really. And honestly? If everyone tried to be as politically correct as you, I think I'd find it a much less interesting place.

Thrawn...you are absolutely right.:techman:

You and me...we got our differences. But let's be honest--we kinda make a great team.

The two of us can always be called upon to...say...spruce things up a bit, wouldn't you agree?:cool:
 
:guffaw:I'll make fun of you guys if you really want that...:techman:

"Okay, boys (and girls), we got some rules, an' I expect ya to follow them:

No low blows.

Watch your kidney punches.

Watch your rabbit punches.

In case of a knock down, you go to the corner I tell you to, and wait there until I tell you to come out.

Now shake hands, and LET'S GET READY TO RUMBLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!"
 
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