I love Whoopi in TNG. That was the point at which I decided to watch more things she's been in, and enjoyed some of them.
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All through Season One she sent messages via LeVar Burton that she wanted to be on the show, and they all assumed it was Whoopi being a prankster. When she heard that they'd just lost a female cast member (Yar), she made more serious efforts to be heard.
Sadly for Marina Sirtis, any time Whoopi notified Paramount she was free to do an episode, often a very short notice, it was usually a key Troi scene that was hastily rewritten for Guinan.
You can also sometimes tell where a Whoopi scene was written, and she was suddenly unavailable. For example, Ben, the young bartender in "The Lower Decks", gets to play Guinan's lines in that episode.
Guinan has always been one of my favourite characters, along with Lwuxana Troi.
Not sure if this has been said, if so, apologies.
Whoopie Goldberg always had a soft spot for Trek, due to the TOS series she remembered being young and seeing Uhura on the bridge and calling "Mom, mom! (mum for non americans) Came watch, there's a black woman on tv and she ain't no maid!"
So she was more than happy to guest as a reoccuring role on Star trek due to that childhood memory of hers.
Whoopie Goldberg always had a soft spot for Trek, due to the TOS series she remembered being young and seeing Uhura on the bridge and calling "Mom, mom! (mum for non americans) Came watch, there's a black woman on tv and she ain't no maid!"
So she was more than happy to guest as a reoccuring role on Star trek due to that childhood memory of hers.
She and Levar (sp?) are friends she told him she liked the show and wanted to be on it Whoopi bugged him about it. So Levar eventually went to the producers and told them Whoopi Goldberg would like to appear on the show, the producers thought he was joking. Time passed by and Levar went to the producers again this thime they did not think he was joking and that's how Whoopi got cast in TNG
all explained in a later episode. I don't want to spoil it for you so i'll just say "datas head".I loved guinan.remember her conversations with ensign Ro. I loved it when they became children again and guinan was jumping on the bed while she had the chance to play again. And her phaser ability is the best!
"Whoo Pi"?
Amen--to all points. I don't think Joy would ever willingly admit that she was wrong....
And she defended Sean Hannity when Joy started slamming him. Great gal, overall!
Ha! so true, thats exactly what i think. People go to Guinan just as often as Troi for advice, and Guinan isn't even a telepath. what does that say about Troi's abilities as a councellor?
To be fair though, Guinan has centuries more life experience, so she has encountered most life problems people can face i guess.
Maybe Guinan used to be a counselor back on El Auria. 
I loved Guinan, and as far as where she came from, wasn't it obvious? Earth, late 19th century.
Anyway, she was probably my favorite character on the show. Very off topic, but if anyone watched the Oscars last night, is Whoopi Goldberg pregnant?
Anyway, she was probably my favorite character on the show. Very off topic, but if anyone watched the Oscars last night, is Whoopi Goldberg pregnant?
Me too.
I started wondering something, possibly subconsciously inspired by the Mark Lenard thread. Has anybody ever heard of Whoopi Goldberg attending any sci-fi or Star Trek conventions? I imagine she'd be an unlikely guest since unlike so many of the guests at those things, she's had a career in which she is mostly known for roles besides the one she had in Star Trek.
She's better than Joy Behar, I can tell ya that....
Still...I thnk Whoopi as Guinan on "The View" would've been DANG good.
Next time Elizabeth offers Joy "Kool-Aid" (inside joke), Whoopi could reply, "How about prune juice?"
Excellent character, over all.
She could have given Tasha Yar some Whoopi wisdom
"Yar.....you in danger girl"
Here she is with Riker teaching Wesley how woo a (Wo)Man. I thought you might like it. And I do like how she stabs Q with a fork to see if he really is human.
I'm a big Whoopi Goldberg fan. I love her in "The Color Purple", "Ghost", "Boys on the Side" - just off the top of my head. And I absolutely loved her on Next Generation. When DS9 first aired there were rumors that she would appear in an episode and I wish that appearance had been filmed. Her character is so great. She appears in many of the best episodes of the series, and improves some of the lesser episodes just by appearing in them.
I've heard the story from many sources about how in the original script for "The Offspring" (a great episode), when Guinan is explaining love and relationships to Lal, Guinan was supposed to say "When a man & woman grow close" or something to that effect - but Whoopie refused to say the line. She said this is the 24th century and sexual identity and gender discrimination will be a thing of the past, and to pretend that man/woman couplings are the only options is unacceptable and irresponsible. The line was then changed to "When 2 people". I didn't know that when I saw the episode, but when I heard about it later it really touched me, and it's stayed with me ever since - which only made me love Guinan (and Whoopie) more.
I don't think that's a fair statement. I thought that Season 3 was Enterprise's strongest season, and that it excelled just fine on it's own; much better than the Mirror Universe episodes. In fact, my least favorite episode of the series featured Riker & Troi. Besides the fact that all the Trek series since the orignal have 'fed off the rich history of previous Star Trek series" - Next Generation included.
I've heard the story from many sources about how in the original script for "The Offspring" (a great episode), when Guinan is explaining love and relationships to Lal, Guinan was supposed to say "When a man & woman grow close" or something to that effect - but Whoopie refused to say the line. She said this is the 24th century and sexual identity and gender discrimination will be a thing of the past, and to pretend that man/woman couplings are the only options is unacceptable and irresponsible. The line was then changed to "When 2 people". I didn't know that when I saw the episode, but when I heard about it later it really touched me, and it's stayed with me ever since - which only made me love Guinan (and Whoopie) more.
I don't think that's a fair statement. I thought that Season 3 was Enterprise's strongest season, and that it excelled just fine on it's own; much better than the Mirror Universe episodes. In fact, my least favorite episode of the series featured Riker & Troi. Besides the fact that all the Trek series since the orignal have 'fed off the rich history of previous Star Trek series" - Next Generation included.
^There could be a great caption this entry for that photo. 
Oh, dear. I guess I'm going to be the lone voice of dissent in this thread. I don't actually like the character of Guinan. I find her to be annoying. The reason I find her annoying is that she often offers unsolicited advice. That would drive me up the wall. The character also stole from Troi. They started using Guinan in the father-confessor, sage role, and neglected Troi. Troi and Guinan are different, though. So are their roles, or should be. People say that Guinan is a better counsellor than Troi. The writers don't really know what a counsellor is. What it isn't is someone who offers advice. It's someone who helps you assess what's bothering you, make sense of it on an emotional level. They are faciliatators when you can't help yourself emotionally. Guinan just offers advice, tells people what to do. She gives insight to the universe, but it's her perspective.
So, that's the reason I don't really care for Guinan.
So, that's the reason I don't really care for Guinan.
