A possibility but we don't know what effect her powers would have on her lifespan. The Ocampans in "Cold Fire" proved they can live longer.
Who was Andrew Kim, going to date Marry and have children with?
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A possibility but we don't know what effect her powers would have on her lifespan. The Ocampans in "Cold Fire" proved they can live longer.
But that was after a thousand years of divergent evolution... Or for however long it had been since Susperia scarpered. Was that the most anyone could get out of an Ocampa? Did it take several generations to get to that point, or did she arbitrarily chose to suspend any further increases in their potential lifespans because pets get annoying after a while?
We don't know and that's my point. We also don't know if the experiences Kes has had (to our knowledge the first Ocampan to travel to that other dimension) has affected her lifespan or not.
..thru technology.
Remember, Tanis tells Kes he's like 15.
Kes laughs and replies, the oldest Ocampian only lived to be 9.
Tanis tells her Susperia created "technology" to extend their life span.
Plus, in "Before & After" Kes' daughter is very serious when she tells the Doc. about her mother(Kes) not wanting her life artifically extended. Kes accepted her lifespan and didn't want to pervert what she felt was the natural course of her life.
Also, Kes wasn't the first Ocampian to find that other diminsion. Tanis also tells Kes that when Ocampa achieve the full ability of the mental powers they will find "Exosha". A plane where Ocampa can exist as pure thought.
I'm telling you guys, "Coldfire" explains everything.
Trust me, I couldn't make this stuff up. If I could, I'm wasting my time in the wrong career.
I kind of assumed that Exohsa was a familiar realm to the caretakers, where they liked to hang out, and that the Ocampa were just along for the ride? I'm not saying that they shouldn't belong someplace like that with how their "powers" work, but I'm thinking it's not the first realm they'd gravitate towards since they're very different being from Susperia who finds it a sweet fit and comfortable enough to call a home... But why live as thoughts when your thoughts are mad?
Although why build the little Array if Ocampa could live as thought permanently and safely?
Although why build the little Array if Ocampa could live as thought permanently and safely?
Being a fomer X-Men comic fan, in those books all the telepaths could hang out in the "Astral Plane", a place of pure thought. So I figured with Ocampians being psychokenetic, "Exosha" was their name for an astral plane.
As far as living as mad thoughts, crazy people don't know they're crazy. They believe the way they think is perfectly normal.
Ocampians are still carbon based life forms, they couldn't exist as thought forever. They still need to eat and sleep. Using that type of mental energy would be draining after a while. Their mind would need to rest at some point.
But they don't have minds. Mouths or stomachs.
only the belief that they do would have them infer phantom needs from such unmanifested organs... So as long as though was some type of "food for thought" in the astral plane...
I still read X-men Comics.
Emma Frost is now their leader.
I don't think the X-men Know this, but Norman osborn and Doctor Doom think it's the gods honest truth.
Wow.
Consider that there are an infinite number of astral planes laying upon one another representing different frequencies of energy an/or thought... Which sounds similar to what the passenger said to Wesley back in Where no one has Gone Before. But considering at what frequency the electrical charge in your brain wants to operate at because of the limitations imposed on it by flesh, that is the astral plane it will find level with and the more different people and aliens are from you, the deeper or high a plane they may call home.
only the belief that they do would have them infer phantom needs from such unmanifested organs... So as long as though was some type of "food for thought" in the astral plane...
I still read X-men Comics.
Emma Frost is now their leader.
I don't think the X-men Know this, but Norman osborn and Doctor Doom think it's the gods honest truth.
Wow.
Consider that there are an infinite number of astral planes laying upon one another representing different frequencies of energy an/or thought... Which sounds similar to what the passenger said to Wesley back in Where no one has Gone Before. But considering at what frequency the electrical charge in your brain wants to operate at because of the limitations imposed on it by flesh, that is the astral plane it will find level with and the more different people and aliens are from you, the deeper or high a plane they may call home.
First allow me to say, I am so glad I don't read comics anymore.
Nobody has any good ideas anymore.
Second, why td you think Ocampians becoming energy beings would be a perminate thing?
I recall Barclay being pissed that he couldn't fit all his consciousness back into his puny little mind, and if as entities they're functionally immortal(Thinking of Stargate and every other episode of Star trek.), other than suicide (Thinking of Deathwish) why return to a mortal form?
Besides, wouldn't they have to create "new" bodies to return to the mortal plane to some degree depending on what energy they have lost and gained while living as a noncoporial being? that's surely the point of a transporter, to use the exact same energy/matter used to make up a person is moved and used later to recreate the same person identically with the same building blocks and not just the same blueprints. It would be easier to just transmit data and and not move the converted matter surely? But then that's just transporter cloning.
Although, it's possible that there are limitation to how long their consciousness can survive or stay sane in such places of pure thought which would invite a return to someplace less complicated... They probably have to return to our dimensional layer to breed like a salmon's migrationery pattern too.
But this brings us back to the unforgivable sin the Nacene committed on the Ocampa which destroyed their world which deductively might have been to artificially accelerate their evolution to the point that they've burned up all life on the planet to get that "High" we saw in Coldfire(which we spent a week once arguing about if that was or was not "eating" for sustenance.), which would suggest that because of the forced evolution they are not truly acclimated to such alien environments as the entities intelligently designing them to be so... Square peg, triangle hole.
Which would be those limits you were talking about.
I was very surprised to see Kes as a person in Fury.
But then that entire episode was invented to goad me.
Besides, wouldn't they have to create "new" bodies to return to the mortal plane to some degree depending on what energy they have lost and gained while living as a noncoporial being? that's surely the point of a transporter, to use the exact same energy/matter used to make up a person is moved and used later to recreate the same person identically with the same building blocks and not just the same blueprints. It would be easier to just transmit data and and not move the converted matter surely? But then that's just transporter cloning.
Although, it's possible that there are limitation to how long their consciousness can survive or stay sane in such places of pure thought which would invite a return to someplace less complicated... They probably have to return to our dimensional layer to breed like a salmon's migrationery pattern too.
But this brings us back to the unforgivable sin the Nacene committed on the Ocampa which destroyed their world which deductively might have been to artificially accelerate their evolution to the point that they've burned up all life on the planet to get that "High" we saw in Coldfire(which we spent a week once arguing about if that was or was not "eating" for sustenance.), which would suggest that because of the forced evolution they are not truly acclimated to such alien environments as the entities intelligently designing them to be so... Square peg, triangle hole.
Which would be those limits you were talking about.
I was very surprised to see Kes as a person in Fury.
But then that entire episode was invented to goad me.
^^No.
I think you're just over thinking the entire "astrial plane" needing a new body thing.
Voyager was never that deep of a show.
It's mind over matter. If Ocampa can will themselves to Exosha, then I assume they can will themselves back to carbon based life forms.
I think you're just over thinking the entire "astrial plane" needing a new body thing.
Voyager was never that deep of a show.
It's mind over matter. If Ocampa can will themselves to Exosha, then I assume they can will themselves back to carbon based life forms.
Don't we?
Last time we saw Kes, she looked like someone nearing the end of her life. Shouldn't that be enough to assume she isn't going to live longer than 9 years?
I find assumptions presumptuous and that's the last I'm going to say on this topic in this thread.
Back to the thread's original topic of Andrew Kim...
Basically if you follow the before and after episode, Kes mentioned that she was moving in 6 months episodes and We see Andrew being born and 6 months it takes from ing a human baby to about 8-9 (how old was Andrew? when we seen him with Kes)
How fast was that little ship of hers?
At the end, they sent her back to go see the Ocampa, right? Who might have either starved and thirsted to death after the Caretakers energy store run out, and been overrun or ignored by the Kazon who "took" their resources after the shield folded, unless another local race was able to be their new Caretaker despite that they were clearly in Kazon Space and therfore Kazon propety which is a declartion of war in the least... But if that little ship could back track Voyagers heroic 6 year journey in what remained of ancient Kes' life time, goodness forbid a few weeks, well..
You would think that whatever special "drive" was powering that ship would have been of some interest to kathy that she could have used that technology to get home also in what remained of Kes' life span or perhaps even just weeks, if she wasn't going to request/beg to be pushed foward another tenthousand lightyears by the power of her mind?
At the end, they sent her back to go see the Ocampa, right? Who might have either starved and thirsted to death after the Caretakers energy store run out, and been overrun or ignored by the Kazon who "took" their resources after the shield folded, unless another local race was able to be their new Caretaker despite that they were clearly in Kazon Space and therfore Kazon propety which is a declartion of war in the least... But if that little ship could back track Voyagers heroic 6 year journey in what remained of ancient Kes' life time, goodness forbid a few weeks, well..
You would think that whatever special "drive" was powering that ship would have been of some interest to kathy that she could have used that technology to get home also in what remained of Kes' life span or perhaps even just weeks, if she wasn't going to request/beg to be pushed foward another tenthousand lightyears by the power of her mind?
She obviously doesn't, but the final scene was her flying off into the yonder in her little ship.
K.
back on point.
No Seven in this timeline, but if there had been, I can imagine Seven saying something like "The new design model seems to have corrected MANY of the flaws in the Kim prototype."
oh hell.
Wouldn't ocampan male reproductionary fluids get lost trying to make it's way to some girls shoulder when they're detoured from what is expected to the navel type area, and considering that it's quarter the journey to get there where the human women keep their part of babymix, wouldn't Andrew's jizzum not be exhausted for the final assault? That it's quite possible that the human womans egg awaiting conception would be perforated like a sieve from millions of simultaneous impacts after a whimsical 20 meter dash rather than merely inseminated by a lone marathon winner?
That being said, Tom and harry's boys had three times the journey for their trip to Kes and Glynnis eggs respectively? Now that's impressive if the Doctor didn't help them out a little with the sickbays medical transporter (Unless Ocampan women have sexual organs in their shoulder blades too, which makes the whole gluey hands things just a little more tangled and complicated like free relief twister.)
Actually.
It's kinda inbred for any of the crew to mate with Kes' grandchild, or later generations which is why I thought the question was hilarious, but what if Captain Chakotay's Voyager met up with Ransom's Equinox too in their alternate timeline? Surely Ransom wouldn't have been so afraid of mentioning that he's a mass murderer to a terrorist and traitor to the federation who is also possibly a mass murderer too? Maybe more than 5 of the Equinox crew survived that rendition of the story?
Andrew and Marla Gilmore?
Though Chakotay would still be interested, which is an insane love triangle.
"Kid, you're in my way."
"The lady doesn't mind old man."
K.
back on point.
No Seven in this timeline, but if there had been, I can imagine Seven saying something like "The new design model seems to have corrected MANY of the flaws in the Kim prototype."
oh hell.
Wouldn't ocampan male reproductionary fluids get lost trying to make it's way to some girls shoulder when they're detoured from what is expected to the navel type area, and considering that it's quarter the journey to get there where the human women keep their part of babymix, wouldn't Andrew's jizzum not be exhausted for the final assault? That it's quite possible that the human womans egg awaiting conception would be perforated like a sieve from millions of simultaneous impacts after a whimsical 20 meter dash rather than merely inseminated by a lone marathon winner?
That being said, Tom and harry's boys had three times the journey for their trip to Kes and Glynnis eggs respectively? Now that's impressive if the Doctor didn't help them out a little with the sickbays medical transporter (Unless Ocampan women have sexual organs in their shoulder blades too, which makes the whole gluey hands things just a little more tangled and complicated like free relief twister.)
Actually.
It's kinda inbred for any of the crew to mate with Kes' grandchild, or later generations which is why I thought the question was hilarious, but what if Captain Chakotay's Voyager met up with Ransom's Equinox too in their alternate timeline? Surely Ransom wouldn't have been so afraid of mentioning that he's a mass murderer to a terrorist and traitor to the federation who is also possibly a mass murderer too? Maybe more than 5 of the Equinox crew survived that rendition of the story?
Andrew and Marla Gilmore?
Though Chakotay would still be interested, which is an insane love triangle.
"Kid, you're in my way."
"The lady doesn't mind old man."
I always thought that was really creepy that Kim would have married Tom and Kes's daughter, a child who would have grown up seeing him as an uncle. CREEPY!
I would think that hybrid Ocampa could have longer life spans.
Who's to say Andrew would have even liked girls? He could've just as easily have liked men.
I would think that hybrid Ocampa could have longer life spans.
Who's to say Andrew would have even liked girls? He could've just as easily have liked men.
