Who wants to join Starfleet now???

[CosmicQuestion]

After what happened in the last movie, how is the Federation gonna recruit new members? All the aliens probably heard about Vulcan on the news.

I bet even the old standbys like the Tellarites have quietly left the picture, but then again they seemed content to let the humans take all the risk from day one. They may be ugly but they're not stupid.

The Andorians are probably gonna avoid the Federation like a can of raid now too. Founding members indeed.

Just the other day I was at Deepspace 10 and this bigheaded alien said to me "Hey, ya know why Starfleet sendin out all them spaceships?". I knew was trying to start some $#^!, but I said "Why is that?"

He answered "Cause they lost a planet and tryin to find it! HAHAHAH!". All the othe aliens thought it was funny and laughed and laughed and laughed. IGNORANT!!!

I would've beat him down but I was the only Human there in a sea of aliens... But really, how does this change Starfleet?

What we gonna do now?

 

[Skywalker]

Not really sure this thread's meant to be taken seriously, but what the heck...

I think the destruction of Vulcan would inspire the Federation's senses of patriotism and camaraderie. If anything, Starfleet's recruitment numbers would probably go up for a while.

 

[Cyke101]

Not really sure this thread's meant to be taken seriously, but what the heck...

I think the destruction of Vulcan would inspire the Federation's senses of patriotism and camaraderie. If anything, Starfleet's recruitment numbers would probably go up for a while.

I agree. From an American history standpoint, there are several precedents for large spikes in recruitment numbers AFTER major attacks: Fort Sumter, Pearl Harbor, 9/11, etc. etc. And you can barely go bigger than losing Vulcan.

P.S. I still miss Vulcan.

 

[MacLeod]

And of course there is the whole issue of a Starfleet vessel saving another Federation world that was under attack by the same person.

 

[Sindatur]

I agree with the belief it would soldify support, not drive away allies. Regarding the Andorians, they pretty much hate the Vulcans, so, the Andorians certainly wouldn't look down on the Federation/Starfleet for failing to save Vulcan

 

[Cyke101]

I agree with the belief it would soldify support, not drive away allies. Regarding the Andorians, they pretty much hate the Vulcans, so, the Andorians certainly wouldn't look down on the Federation/Starfleet for failing to save Vulcan

But that hate was slowly fading by the end of Enterprise, certainly enough for the Andorians and Vulcans to band together against the Romulans, and later participate in the founding of the Federation. Considering that TOS/STXI both take place over a hundred years after that, I'd think it's unfair to say Andorians hate Vulcans in the 2260s.

 

[Sindatur]

I agree with the belief it would soldify support, not drive away allies. Regarding the Andorians, they pretty much hate the Vulcans, so, the Andorians certainly wouldn't look down on the Federation/Starfleet for failing to save Vulcan

But that hate was slowly fading by the end of Enterprise, certainly enough for the Andorians and Vulcans to band together against the Romulans, and later participate in the founding of the Federation. Considering that TOS/STXI both take place over a hundred years after that, I'd think it's unfair to say Andorians hate Vulcans in the 2260s.

Yea, they would band together for their own survival as I stated, but, regarding their relationship in the 2260s, it's been a long time since I've seen much of TOS, am I misremembering Journey to Babel having major tension between the Vulcans and Andorians?

 

[MacLeod]

There is a difference between tension and hate. Even in alliances different members can disagree over various topics.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I agree with the belief it would soldify support, not drive away allies. Regarding the Andorians, they pretty much hate the Vulcans, so, the Andorians certainly wouldn't look down on the Federation/Starfleet for failing to save Vulcan

But that hate was slowly fading by the end of Enterprise, certainly enough for the Andorians and Vulcans to band together against the Romulans, and later participate in the founding of the Federation. Considering that TOS/STXI both take place over a hundred years after that, I'd think it's unfair to say Andorians hate Vulcans in the 2260s.

Not to nitpick, but we don't know if they were involved in the Romulan war. In fact, the name "Earth/Romulan war" given in "Balance of Terror" would imply that they weren't.

 

[Cyke101]

I agree with the belief it would soldify support, not drive away allies. Regarding the Andorians, they pretty much hate the Vulcans, so, the Andorians certainly wouldn't look down on the Federation/Starfleet for failing to save Vulcan

But that hate was slowly fading by the end of Enterprise, certainly enough for the Andorians and Vulcans to band together against the Romulans, and later participate in the founding of the Federation. Considering that TOS/STXI both take place over a hundred years after that, I'd think it's unfair to say Andorians hate Vulcans in the 2260s.

Not to nitpick, but we don't know if they were involved in the Romulan war. In fact, the name "Earth/Romulan war" given in "Balance of Terror" would imply that they weren't.

I'll stand corrected on that (must be those 4th season Enterprise episodes), but we also don't know if the Vulcans and the Andorians similarly had that same animosity in TOS, do we? They're rivals but they're not actively gunning for each other or calling for civil war within the Federation against each other. The US and France seemed to criticize each other constantly only a few years ago, but even then relations were still amicable enough to get them together on other issues, maintain peace, etc etc without launching armies at each other.

 

[7thsealord]

But that hate was slowly fading by the end of Enterprise, certainly enough for the Andorians and Vulcans to band together against the Romulans, and later participate in the founding of the Federation. Considering that TOS/STXI both take place over a hundred years after that, I'd think it's unfair to say Andorians hate Vulcans in the 2260s.

Not to nitpick, but we don't know if they were involved in the Romulan war. In fact, the name "Earth/Romulan war" given in "Balance of Terror" would imply that they weren't.

I'll stand corrected on that (must be those 4th season Enterprise episodes), but we also don't know if the Vulcans and the Andorians similarly had that same animosity in TOS, do we? They're rivals but they're not actively gunning for each other or calling for civil war within the Federation against each other. The US and France seemed to criticize each other constantly only a few years ago, but even then relations were still amicable enough to get them together on other issues, maintain peace, etc etc without launching armies at each other.

Could also be that, in the years since 'Enterprise', various things have happened to markedly improve Vulcan-Andorian
relations. At least to the point where they can be polite to each other without having to think about it.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Keep in mind that 100 years is less than half a Vulcan lifespan. There are probably quite a few bitter old Vulcans around in 2258, who remember when Andorians were "the enemy" like it was yesterday. I'm sure there are quite a few uneasy allies in the gigantic Federation.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

After what happened in the last movie, how is the Federation gonna recruit new members? All the aliens probably heard about Vulcan on the news..

What we gonna do now?

The non-Federation races will see this as a sign of weakness and will start challenging Starfleet--and the Federation in general--a bit more openly. Either because they were weak for failing to protect Vulcan, or they're weak BECAUSE they lost Vulcan.

The Federation races will, ironically, come to the same conclusion and will do everything in their power to bolster Starfleet as well as their own defenses. There will be more recruits to Starfleet than before, but also more funding and more recruits for LOCAL defense fleets as well.

The emphasis on planetary defense and security is also likely to get a priority bump over exploration and research in the short term, at least until things calm down. But then, if the TOS timeline is any indication a whole bunch of other shit is going to happen that will only increase those tensions (Klingons making a play for Sherman's planet, the Romulans attacking the neutral zone, first contact with the Gorn, the neural parasites, etc) and Starfleet will wind up in a very defensive footing. Add to that the Question of Corridan and suddenly you have a very nervous and paranoid Federation surrounded by enemies that don't neccesarily even trust each other; Starfleet's peacekeeping role will be more important than any other time in history.

I bet even the old standbys like the Tellarites have quietly left the picture, but then again they seemed content to let the humans take all the risk from day one. They may be ugly but they're not stupid.

The Andorians are probably gonna avoid the Federation like a can of raid now too. Founding members indeed.

Just the other day I was at Deepspace 10 and this bigheaded alien said to me "Hey, ya know why Starfleet sendin out all them spaceships?". I knew was trying to start some $#^!, but I said "Why is that?"

He answered "Cause they lost a planet and tryin to find it! HAHAHAH!". All the othe aliens thought it was funny and laughed and laughed and laughed. IGNORANT!!!

I would've beat him down but I was the only Human there in a sea of aliens... But really, how does this change Starfleet?

In the alternate timeline, it merely adds new impact to the publishing of the headline in the Federation Chronicle "One of Our Planets is Missing."

 

[CosmicQuestion]

Could you imagine if it actually worked in ths Federation's/Starfleet's favor. Like what if the Klingons focused entirely on the Romulans and vice versa. And, with the original Spock's knowledge, many potential conflicts like The Gorn and Cardassian situations may be avoided altogether. To bad it took losing a planet but maybe in the long run trillions of lives (well Federation lives anyway) may have been saved.

As far as movie effects go, it could mean the Enterprise being slightly redesigned to look more like a warship (a cool makeover), and maybe the poor redshirt security team will get some much needed body armour and laser rifles.

There's alotta potential and it's kinda exciting to think how it could all play out.

 

[7thsealord]

Keep in mind that 100 years is less than half a Vulcan lifespan. There are probably quite a few bitter old Vulcans around in 2258, who remember when Andorians were "the enemy" like it was yesterday. I'm sure there are quite a few uneasy allies in the gigantic Federation.

Very true. But 100 years for a Vulcan would equate to maybe 30-40 years for a Human today. A lot of things can change in that sort of timeframe.

 

[Sector 7]

"Caveat Newbie"... beware new members posting threads. They rarely make sense (I'm betting my first thread made sense only to me).

Many people will probably join StarFleet for the action or to defend the Federation against future threats. I would expect a surge of new cadets at StarFleet Academy.

As for the Federation, some may join in hopes of better protection and some may decide to stay more independent, at least for now.