Who should the next rival of the Federation.

Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by EmoBorg, Feb 12, 2020.

  1. MAGolding

    MAGolding Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Dec 11, 2015
    But it would be a very inaccurate analogy to describe the UFP as having anywhere near the military superiority in the Milky Way Galaxy that the USA has on Earth. The USA has a far larger percentage of the land area, population, industry, wealth,etc. of the planet Earth than the UFP has in the gigantic Milky Way galaxy that it only rules a minute fraction of. There could be thousands or millions of other states with equal resources to the Federation out there, or possibly a single state with 359 times the military power of the F UFP or 1,284 times the military power of the UFP, or 45,915 times the military power of the Federation, or whatever.

    The idea that the new rivals of the UFP would have to be raiders, or guerrillas, or terrorists, or some other small scale foes, is not correct. There is no reason to assume that the UFP must have run out of foes with equal or superior military might in this vast and vastly unexplored galaxy.

    My favorite idea for a new rival would be the Dominion. I was very disappointed that the "The Search" identified the real Founders of the Dominion so quickly. So I like to think that the Changelings are not the real Foudners of the Dominion, merely a subordinate group that founded a province or state of the Dominion that was assigned the task of conquering the area by the Bajoran end of the wormhole and failed. So the real Founders of the Dominion may now assign the job to some other province or state.

    You might also be interested in my answer h to this question: https://scifi.stackexchange.com/que...tch-to-another-planet-when-qonos-became-uninh
    Last edited: Feb 13, 2020
  2. Tenacity

    Tenacity Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Jul 14, 2016
    Or a much smaller grouping that possesses superior technology.
    The south shall rise again.
    Seriously having a portion of the Federation, a few dozen members, declare that they decided to part company with the Federation and join another interstellar organization. And then a few sore ass remainders figure those are fighting words, and no-body gets to leave.
    Or, that the Federation and it's moral don't go far enough.
  3. Tim Thomason

    Tim Thomason Commodore Commodore

    May 27, 2009
    Daniels' Illinois
    Good point. What if Picard, who doesn't believe that Starfleet is Starfleet anymore, convinces some of his friends in governments around the Federation to form a true, moral utopia again.
  4. King Daniel Beyond

    King Daniel Beyond Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Nov 5, 2008
    King Daniel Beyond

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  5. Crazyewok

    Crazyewok Commodore Commodore

    May 19, 2013

    There holy galactic crusade to spread the the truth of The Picard!
  6. XCV330

    XCV330 _ Premium Member

    Sep 24, 2017
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  7. DS9forever

    DS9forever Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Oct 3, 2007
  8. Nyotarules

    Nyotarules Rear Admiral Moderator

    Jan 20, 2016
    And the rest of the Federation rejoices and shouts 'Good riddance to those pesky humans'!
  9. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Tomorrow Never Knows Premium Member

    Nov 4, 2001
    Here, There and Everywhere
    The Spanish Inquisition

    You know why.
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  10. Zeta

    Zeta Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Oct 7, 2007
    Cestus III
    Blimey, I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition would be a rival to the Federation.
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  11. JirinPanthosa

    JirinPanthosa Admiral Admiral

    Nov 20, 2012
    Maybe an authoritarian movement from within, playing off fear of the Borg, Dominion and synths. Though I guess a lot of other SF franchises did that.
  12. Unimatrix Q

    Unimatrix Q Captain Captain

    Jun 26, 2015
    What about the Voth? When they give up or change their doctrine, they might want get their old homeworld back. And with their advanced technology they might be the biggest threat to the Federation beside the Borg or the Krenim...
  13. Kilana2

    Kilana2 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Jan 31, 2015
    Erlangen, Germany
    A rogue group of Ferengi - calling themthelves the Warriors of Fortune.....:D
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  14. Arpy

    Arpy Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Apr 22, 2001
    8472 could come into our space from anywhere — they’re the only life in their universe. They’re also physically more interesting than most.

    The Kelvins would be a baddie from “new” space we haven’t been to yet. These days, could also appear in their natural form.

    The Tzenkethi could play on our fears of class consciousness and genetic engineering, but maybe their time hasn’t come yet.

    The Conspiracy Parasites would be fun. But their punch is greater when there’s something to hold onto. I think we’re in a period of trying to redefine what we want.

    The Dominion or rival Federation might have been an interesting stand-in for China and alternative ideology, but DS9 already did a full-on war with them.

    Civil War just rubs me the wrong way. It’d be a step backward and a disgrace.

    A couple of things I like about PIC is the exploration of civilian life and the lack of baddie. The Romulans are looking to prevent a synth takeover, not destroy the Federation. The Borg are frightening but not active.

    There’s a huge established universe out there to play in. Maybe they do more with the current threats already established. Maybe the next series are a couple of police officers scouring the galaxy trying to solve a murder or a scientists trying to figure out a “The Chase”-like mystery, and it takes them from sexy Delta IV to post-war Cardassia to tense Tzenketh to a Dominion civil war to unknown space to the Q Continuum.
  15. Annorax849

    Annorax849 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    May 22, 2014
    I've always thought three good rivals for a future series would be a the Breen, the Conspiracy aliens, and a new enemy we haven't seen before.
  16. MisterValis

    MisterValis Cadet Newbie

    Given that we see the Hirogen hunting alpha quadrant race holograms in “flesh and blood” it would make logical sense for them to travel that far for the actual challenge.
  17. EmoBorg

    EmoBorg Commodore Commodore

    Apr 2, 2012
    in the 10 dimensions of reality
    Maybe The Typhon Pact from the books could make a good new rival.
  18. Dispaminite

    Dispaminite Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

    Aug 13, 2016
    A new race in the alpha quadrant beyond Cardassians or in the Beta Quadrant beyond the Romulans and Klingons would interesting.