Who Likes 'Relics'?

[Mojochi]

I like Relics quite a lot, despite its flaws. It only started feeling forced to me at the end, when they trump up some action, in a situation that really only required the Jenolan to park just outside tractor range, & keep hailing the door until the D was clear. Other than that, it was a moderately fair commentary on aging. Poor Doohan though... He sure did seem to struggle with the technobabble. Looked like he was reading it from cue cards

 

[Fleet Captain Garland]

To me there were alots "canon mistakes" between this episode and Generations...

 

[topcat]

dumbasses,,,, scotty never specified a specific year, day,month, or time to display the enterprise bridge. Hence the fact it was always undergoing constant changes, the whole bridge module was designed to be removed and removed as bridge controls changed.
Its like some videogame wannabe bitching that the eye color of the in game character doesn't match the eye color of the video game disc package.

THe point of Relics is not "hero worship". In many episodes of tng, new charecters were told by riker and picard and even geordi that hero worship and similar things was not tolerated on the ship, stupid crap like that gets you killed and such stuff. Hence they themselves would not really be hero worshipping.
And there is a sense in star trek itself that, once a time period ends, or series ends, everything relating to it is no longer valued. When Encounter at Far Point, Pt 1 aired, they had Admiral Bones, head of Starfleet tour the ship, and the only person who saw him as more then a meddling admiral was Data, who was like "gosh the changes you have seen nearly immortal human"

Look at that whiney transporter chief, once the TNG series ended, he was just another loser in the fleet, and was barely good enough to be chief light bulb changer on DS9. Look at Worf, head of security on the federation flagship, but once that series over, forced to bite the pillow and take it up the ass and beg to be put on that shithole DS9

 

[RAMA]

Someone pointed out they didn't explore the Dyson Sphere much, which is true aside from instrumentation. Well, it's hard to cover Scotty coming back and new Kardashev scale technological discoveries in 46 minutes. This all can be mitigated with one line: sending a dedicated science ship to study it in detail. Which Picard did say. As for it's mysteries, well that's for another story.

I don't think it's been mentioned but the HD version of "Relics" has massively improved SFX. Here's a comparison:

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[Mutai Sho-Rin]

dumbasses,,,, scotty never specified a specific year, day,month, or time to display the enterprise bridge. Hence the fact it was always undergoing constant changes, the whole bridge module was designed to be removed and removed as bridge controls changed.
Its like some videogame wannabe bitching that the eye color of the in game character doesn't match the eye color of the video game disc package.

THe point of Relics is not "hero worship". In many episodes of tng, new charecters were told by riker and picard and even geordi that hero worship and similar things was not tolerated on the ship, stupid crap like that gets you killed and such stuff. Hence they themselves would not really be hero worshipping.
And there is a sense in star trek itself that, once a time period ends, or series ends, everything relating to it is no longer valued. When Encounter at Far Point, Pt 1 aired, they had Admiral Bones, head of Starfleet tour the ship, and the only person who saw him as more then a meddling admiral was Data, who was like "gosh the changes you have seen nearly immortal human"

Look at that whiney transporter chief, once the TNG series ended, he was just another loser in the fleet, and was barely good enough to be chief light bulb changer on DS9. Look at Worf, head of security on the federation flagship, but once that series over, forced to bite the pillow and take it up the ass and beg to be put on that shithole DS9

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[Armus]

I just completed a rematch of the episode 'Relics', which featured a return of Captain Montgomery Scott to the Star Trek universe. I have read that, for some, this is one of the best (or favorite) episodes. I wholeheartedly disagree!

Don't get me wrong....I loved seeing Scotty again and found the reason behind his continued existence to be fascinating. Only Scotty would have come up with a way to avoid death using the transporter, right?

But the episode, for me, left a lot to be desired. I understand the theme was one of old things, of things past, and the like. And while an exploration of that theme was accomplished, using Scotty to accomplish it was unacceptable - plain and simple.

How could the Enterprise-D crew not know the significance of their passenger's actions in Starfleet history? Scotty was a part of so many different significant things, not the least of which was the saving of Earth in Star Trek IV and the preservation of the new Klingon - Federation alliance in Star Trek VI. Is it plausible to believe that Picard and crew wouldn't have know of Scotty's accomplishments and actions? Of how important he was to Starfleet history?

I suspect that if they had known just how significant Scotty was, they wouldn't have treated him the way they did. He came aboard, and Laforge was pissed off at him from almost the get-go. Picard met with him, but after a few minutes, he left to attend to normal duties. Although he made up for that later as he drank with Scotty on the original Enterprise's bridge, the only reason they had this exchange was because of the 'old person' theme. And even when Picard was speaking to him, he still didn't even acknowledge Scotty's great accomplishments.

So, all in all, I was pretty unhappy with the episode..what do others think?

When I first saw "Relics" I liked it because it reveled in nostalgia for TOS in a way TNG hadn't done before. Having seen it recently I was not impressed by it. The Dyson's Sphere dilema wasn't suspenseful nor exciting and I thought Scotty came across as a twit and a caricature.

 

[RAMA]

When I first saw "Relics" I liked it because it reveled in nostalgia for TOS in a way TNG hadn't done before. Having seen it recently I was not impressed by it. The Dyson's Sphere dilema wasn't suspenseful nor exciting and I thought Scotty came across as a twit and a caricature.

Well if his best, most extensive, most diverse, most challenging role in Trek history is a "caricature" then so be it.

RAMA

 

[Armus]

This episode was another attempt to make their character, Geordi, look better than the previous character. Scotty comes off like a con-artist, a pathetic person who needed to exaggerate an technical issue, to satisfy his ego when he solved it. That is not the Scotty I know from TOS or the movies, he would never play games with the Captain in a situation which could jeopardize lives.
My God, what kind of ethics is that for a professional engineer in the military???
When Scotty told Kirk the situation with the Enterprise's engines or technical issues, he was telling the truth. Just like LaForge does for his Enterprise.

This is the first one. I've always taken this as a joke, some playful banter between friends who have served for a long time together. As in, not actually true. "Relics" takes it completely seriously, and has Scotty act all incredulous that LaForge would actually give Picard an accurate estimate. This seems really out of character to me.

Exactly. That's example of how I thought Ron Moore's script comes off as a fanboy caricature.

 

[RAMA]

Exactly. That's example of how I thought Ron Moore's script comes off as a fanboy caricature.

Such nonsense of epic proportions, both posts. My bullshit meter is off the scale.

Scotty is portrayed as a master of his era's technology, so much so he did something unprecedented and almost saved two lives. Ron Moore himself is not part of the Berman team accused of not being TOS fans or intended to damage TOS(also BS), and so I don't see him writing a script that denigrates Scotty in any way.

Scotty always had a reputation for finishing work before his estimate. It became enough of an inside joke from TOS that they used it IN A SCRIPT for STIII. We find with some amusement that Scotty exaggerates his estimates on purpose, it's still a bit on the jocular side, and suggested by that very same line in STIII...not out of character. More BS.

Geordi made to seem better than the other character?? I see no attempt to make him better than Scotty, he's treated with reverence up till Scotty interferes with some actual duties being performed. Remember, he's clever but 80 years out of date. That's ages in technological time. Despite this, he's still useful on the Jenolen! Then Scotty helps to save the day again. Yeah, he sure is a caricature.

More dramatic part. More lines..probably as many as in half of TOS. Just a better part and the pinnacle of Scotty on Trek. I guess some fans just don't like his character being serviced better by the sequel show? Check, that's it.

RAMA

 

[Pick807]

How could the Enterprise-D crew not know the significance of their passenger's actions in Starfleet history? Scotty was a part of so many different significant things, not the least of which was the saving of Earth in Star Trek IV and the preservation of the new Klingon - Federation alliance in Star Trek VI. Is it plausible to believe that Picard and crew wouldn't have know of Scotty's accomplishments and actions? Of how important he was to Starfleet history?

I suspect that if they had known just how significant Scotty was, they wouldn't have treated him the way they did. He came aboard, and Laforge was pissed off at him from almost the get-go. Picard met with him, but after a few minutes, he left to attend to normal duties. Although he made up for that later as he drank with Scotty on the original Enterprise's bridge, the only reason they had this exchange was because of the 'old person' theme. And even when Picard was speaking to him, he still didn't even acknowledge Scotty's great accomplishments.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe some of the TOS novels mention that some of the Enterprise's exploits were classified because of the sensitivity of the mission I.E time travel. So perhaps the Enterprise D crew really isn't aware of all Scotty's exploits.

 

[Greysun]

I liked this episode, it was great to see Scotty toast his old comrades on the original Enterprise bridge.
However, I do wish they had spent a little more time exploring (or even showing) the Dyson sphere interior and a little less time having Scotty complain about growing old. I sympathized with Geordi on that one.

 

[Takeru]

I loved the Dyson sphere, the entire episode should have been about that, it was a shame they wasted so much time with Scotty, he was annoying.