Who is your least liked Captain, and why?
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You're actually serious?
What was so "awesome" about Esteban? I'm not trying to be argumentative or anything, but all I saw was a captain that didn't want to do anything without instructions from Starfleet first and didn't like dealing with things that were unknown...
Agree, Captain Edward Jellico (actor Ronny Cox) in NG two part episodes "Chain Of Command".
^ Actually Archer is one of my favorites. (But as much as I love Jonathan I doubt anyone could topple Sisko from my top spot.)
My least favorite is Janeway. I do not feel this way because of Kate or the character's basic personality. It was the inconsistencies introduced by the writers. There were more than a few times I turned off the tv and went...
My least favorite is Janeway. I do not feel this way because of Kate or the character's basic personality. It was the inconsistencies introduced by the writers. There were more than a few times I turned off the tv and went...
Man, I haven't posted in a a while... *dusts off account*
That face, yeah... if you liked Archer, despite hating the rest of the series, wouldn't that make Archer himself... not your least favorite?
Anyway, people in the thread have been going back and forth on this, but I'm going to assume the question meant "least favorite MAIN Captain", i.e. the captain from one of the shows. In which case, it's Archer for me. Considering the gross incompetance he displayed throughout the first season, it's hard to believe he was picked for this job due to any qualifications or demonstrated ability. The nepotism angle brought up by RyuRoots actually makes a lot of sense to me.
That face, yeah... if you liked Archer, despite hating the rest of the series, wouldn't that make Archer himself... not your least favorite?
Ouch. Here, you lost me.
Anyway, people in the thread have been going back and forth on this, but I'm going to assume the question meant "least favorite MAIN Captain", i.e. the captain from one of the shows. In which case, it's Archer for me. Considering the gross incompetance he displayed throughout the first season, it's hard to believe he was picked for this job due to any qualifications or demonstrated ability. The nepotism angle brought up by RyuRoots actually makes a lot of sense to me.
You're actually serious?
What was so "awesome" about Esteban? I'm not trying to be argumentative or anything, but all I saw was a captain that didn't want to do anything without instructions from Starfleet first and didn't like dealing with things that were unknown...
I saw a captain that didn't rush into matters without coming up with a plan and thinking things through, plus he valued input from his subordinate officers.
Remember that their mission was a politically sensitive one, that was one good reason to be especially cautious.
Concur as well with Archer, especially Bakula. Great actor, but just... couldn't carry the gravitas of a CO, IMO.
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Man, I haven't posted in a a while... *dusts off account*
That face, yeah... if you liked Archer, despite hating the rest of the series, wouldn't that make Archer himself... not your least favorite?
Not necessarily. Maybe she likes all 5 captains in their own ways, and Archer just happens to come in last?
Exactly. I like all captains, but this one least. And still, being the least liked captain, he is one of few things I liked in ENT. That should tell you what I think about ENT as a whole 
To put it in other words: Archer wasn't as bad as the rest of ENT. He was good enough to like him, but not good enough to like him more than other captains, who I like better.
I'm not sure I made it clearer, probably not...
To put it in other words: Archer wasn't as bad as the rest of ENT. He was good enough to like him, but not good enough to like him more than other captains, who I like better.
I'm not sure I made it clearer, probably not...
I understood you perfectly the first time.
As to my least favorite...oh, boy...that's not easy, because honestly, I don't really respect any of them except for Sisko.
Kirk had a lot wrong with him, but he did know how to make a command decision when necessary, so I give him that credit.
Picard was intelligent, but he was an arrogant academic, not a captain working in the real world. Though he did get better in the movie era, so the character WAS redeemed once he learned that sometimes ideals just get you killed. Since First Contact did salvage the character, and shoved his hypocrisy in his face until he realized what exactly he was, I don't think he would be my least favorite even though I dislike him more than Kirk.
Archer at least has the excuse that he was the first human captain to deal with the things he did, though I think the character was miscast.
So I guess my vote goes to Janeway, for her poor decision-making skills and inconsistency.
As to my least favorite...oh, boy...that's not easy, because honestly, I don't really respect any of them except for Sisko.
Kirk had a lot wrong with him, but he did know how to make a command decision when necessary, so I give him that credit.
Picard was intelligent, but he was an arrogant academic, not a captain working in the real world. Though he did get better in the movie era, so the character WAS redeemed once he learned that sometimes ideals just get you killed. Since First Contact did salvage the character, and shoved his hypocrisy in his face until he realized what exactly he was, I don't think he would be my least favorite even though I dislike him more than Kirk.
Archer at least has the excuse that he was the first human captain to deal with the things he did, though I think the character was miscast.
So I guess my vote goes to Janeway, for her poor decision-making skills and inconsistency.
I understood you perfectly the first time.
I still lack the Cardassian discipline to shield my mind from probing
I understood you perfectly the first time.
I still lack the Cardassian discipline to shield my mind from probing
Of course, our both being "Cardassian" helps, too...
If the films didn't exist, this might be a supportable thesis.
Now, there's no argument that series Kirk was somewhat flat (also possibly a sociopath). On the other hand, 1)it's 1960s TV, a different animal entirely, and 2)TOS had the shortest run to build characters in.*
*Not to say that seventy-nine hours ought not to be enough, but in the amount of time that TOS had ended for good, no other captain was too much better-rounded. Except maybe Janeway and Archer, who reasonably rapidly established themselves in a rather negative way, i.e. incompetent despot and despotic incompetent, respectively.
Hmm...I guess one person's hero is another person's cannon fodder...You're actually serious?
What was so "awesome" about Esteban? I'm not trying to be argumentative or anything, but all I saw was a captain that didn't want to do anything without instructions from Starfleet first and didn't like dealing with things that were unknown...
I saw a captain that didn't rush into matters without coming up with a plan and thinking things through, plus he valued input from his subordinate officers.
Remember that their mission was a politically sensitive one, that was one good reason to be especially cautious.
Clarified. It didn't come across to me this way in the initial post, but maybe I was just being dense.Exactly. I like all captains, but this one least. And still, being the least liked captain, he is one of few things I liked in ENT. That should tell you what I think about ENT as a whole
To put it in other words: Archer wasn't as bad as the rest of ENT. He was good enough to like him, but not good enough to like him more than other captains, who I like better.
I'm not sure I made it clearer, probably not...
I absolutely want to say Sisko. But the only reason why I would say him is because he hates Picard for the whole Locutus thing. Which is like a, for lack of a better anecdote, a family friend hating someone who was raped for aborting the child as a result from that. If that makes any sense. And I haven't seen much of DS9, so we'll leave Sisko out of it.
However, the other side of me is screaming KIRK, to which I will have to bow down an agree. He was too much of a sleaze bag. And that's just a major thing for me. So I could never respect him much. I did, however, respect him for going and getting Spock against Starfleet orders. But that's it. Literally.
I loved Picard. I've never ever watched an episode of ENT, so idk about Archer. And I felt that Janeway couldn't be human because she was so desperate to get them home. But when she was allowed to be human it was wonderful, and I grew up with a grandfather who loved Ryan's Hope so I am kind of biased when it comes to Janeway, Mary Ryan was my favorite character when she was on. So a little tiny memory of my grandfather keeps me loving Janeway, so sue me, she did what was right to get her crew home.
Oh. And who knows, with the new timeline and the yummy Chris Pine, who is also an incredibly talented actor on top of being incredibly handsome, and can . . . Actually . . . Speak a sentence . . . Without . . . Pausing . . . For a breath . . . Every 1-3 . . . Words, I may just learn to like Kirk. I'm just saying.
However, the other side of me is screaming KIRK, to which I will have to bow down an agree. He was too much of a sleaze bag. And that's just a major thing for me. So I could never respect him much. I did, however, respect him for going and getting Spock against Starfleet orders. But that's it. Literally.
I loved Picard. I've never ever watched an episode of ENT, so idk about Archer. And I felt that Janeway couldn't be human because she was so desperate to get them home. But when she was allowed to be human it was wonderful, and I grew up with a grandfather who loved Ryan's Hope so I am kind of biased when it comes to Janeway, Mary Ryan was my favorite character when she was on. So a little tiny memory of my grandfather keeps me loving Janeway, so sue me, she did what was right to get her crew home.
Oh. And who knows, with the new timeline and the yummy Chris Pine, who is also an incredibly talented actor on top of being incredibly handsome, and can . . . Actually . . . Speak a sentence . . . Without . . . Pausing . . . For a breath . . . Every 1-3 . . . Words, I may just learn to like Kirk. I'm just saying.
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Kirk was developed just fine. Heck, he was even split in half and he had to deal with his "dark side." Why should families, hobbies, and love interests be criteria for "favorite captain"? Why not say, "Tallest, deepest voice, shown eating on camera most often"? This seems less like depth and more like on-screen trivia. The depth that matters is the depth that is displayed in command.
If he is your least favorite, well, then he's your least favorite, but your criteria sound like the sort of things you'd ask about if you were looking for a date.
I didn't mind Archer so much, but he seemed like he strolled in from Leave it to Beaver or Archie and Jughead. He was just a little to earnest and eager to please. He didn't just have a beagle for a pet; he was a giant beagle.