Who is your least liked Captain, and why?
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^ I don't get that either. Kirk displays none of the symptoms of that type of disorder.
This...
But to be fair, the only time we actually see Kirk display "Sociopathic" behaviour is in "The Enemy Within" where Kirk is split into two people
Also considering "Mirror Kirk's" exploits, i'd say its pretty fair to describe this version of Kirk as "Sociopathic"
I would say its a tie between Kirk and Janeway.
I still like them and the series, but between kirks monotone and janeways always having to be tough exterior they just didn't fit in the series.
However, I don't agree with the Archer hate. I mean the singularity comment made no sense, because the crew wasn't acting like themselves. warp engineer concentrated on a chair, even for trip unlikely. The whole DS9 series didn't grab my attention so i have no opinion on that.
I still like them and the series, but between kirks monotone and janeways always having to be tough exterior they just didn't fit in the series.
However, I don't agree with the Archer hate. I mean the singularity comment made no sense, because the crew wasn't acting like themselves. warp engineer concentrated on a chair, even for trip unlikely. The whole DS9 series didn't grab my attention so i have no opinion on that.
My guess is you've never seen the very last few minutes of any given TOS episode.
"Did you get a load of that genocidal robot? Hilarious!"
^ 
But genocidal robots are hilarious.
But genocidal robots are hilarious.My criteria are so since to me Kirk could never be related to as a person. My favourite captains are Picard and Sisko since to me since they're the captains I relate to the most.
I guess I'll be the umpteenth person to pick on poor miscast, badly written Jonathan Archer. But I also dislike Picard because he's such an off-putting, sanctimonious old granny.
I would have liked Janeway a lot more if the writers had compared notes on how to write her, so she isn't sacrificing her crew for the sake of Starfleet values one week and doing the opposite the next.
Sisko and Kirk are my favorites, because they both strike me as plausible types to excel at the role of starship captain, and they both have interesting faults of the type that isn't fatal for a military leader: Sisko is a bit chilly and loner-ish; Kirk can be a scary loose cannon.
Both are capable of rolling the hard six, to paraphrase Bill "Droppin' the Bucket" Adama. Of the two, I'd choose to serve under Sisko's command because he's a lot less likely to get me killed.
I would have liked Janeway a lot more if the writers had compared notes on how to write her, so she isn't sacrificing her crew for the sake of Starfleet values one week and doing the opposite the next.
Sisko and Kirk are my favorites, because they both strike me as plausible types to excel at the role of starship captain, and they both have interesting faults of the type that isn't fatal for a military leader: Sisko is a bit chilly and loner-ish; Kirk can be a scary loose cannon.
Both are capable of rolling the hard six, to paraphrase Bill "Droppin' the Bucket" Adama. Of the two, I'd choose to serve under Sisko's command because he's a lot less likely to get me killed.
To me Kirk is the most human of them all... and easiest to relate too. He's won big in life and lost just as big. He's a man so driven by his career that he's lost touch with so much that can make life special (I've seen many managerial types like this). He's a man that's made huge mistakes (and some have come back to haunt him).
Give me the humanity that Kirk exhibits any day of the week over the sanctimonious bluster that Picard spews.
Both Picard and Sisko suffered loss, overcame hardship and setbacks and won big. Picard commanded the flagship and made essential first contact with the Borg. Sisko made first contact with the Dominion and was one of (if not the) major players in the Dominion War. Just as Kirk was a legend in his day, Picard and Sisko were legends/major figures in their era.
I think it's also that Picard and Sisko basically seemed more rounded and human, and had everyday quirks/idiosyncrasies to that end. Picard didn't like children. Sisko had a teenage son. Sisko liked to cook, Picard liked archaeology and Shakespeare. Sisko could sing well, Picard could play the flute. I never really knew Kirk as I "knew" Picard or Sisko.
I think it's also that Picard and Sisko basically seemed more rounded and human, and had everyday quirks/idiosyncrasies to that end. Picard didn't like children. Sisko had a teenage son. Sisko liked to cook, Picard liked archaeology and Shakespeare. Sisko could sing well, Picard could play the flute. I never really knew Kirk as I "knew" Picard or Sisko.
YARN
Fleet Captain
Yeah, I don't see what the mystery is either. He is neither a blank page nor a cypher.
He's a guy who loves his job and is good at it, but who also struggles with the price of command (distance, loneliness, duty). He's compassionate, occasionally irritable, but not one to hold a grudge, and is not too proud to apologize. He is motivated by a strong moral convictions, but is also reflective. He's a superficially extroverted introvert - he enjoys playing his part and being the leader, but reserves his innermost feelings for only his closest friends. Without Spock and McCoy he would truly be alone playing the great captain.
Picard. He gets on my last nerve.
What siskokid888 said.
I must say I am not the biggest fan of TOS Kirk, because he was made to look just a bit too much like the perfect masculine hero, and I liked him better in the movies (TWOK-TSFS-TUC, to be precise) where he was more flawed and human.
This is actually the reason why I came to like Archer, though I couldn't stand him in the first few episodes of season 1 - he was a very human character, flawed, not a perfect hero.
Sisko is my favorite, but Picard is close, mostly because Stewart was so great in the role (even though I HATED some of Picard's decisions).
YARN
Fleet Captain
There's no doubt that he is written to be the leading man/hero, but I still think he is written with plenty of flaws.
Horatio Hornblower, for example, always comes off improbably well in all his escapades at sea, and he is regularly shown to have done what needed to get the job done, but he is also shown to be introverted, awkward with women, and uncomfortable around his subordinates.
Kirk is Horatio 2.0. He is also closed off but has Spock and McCoy as confidantes which eases his burden. Kirk is smoother with the ladies, but he is shown to be supremely lonely because he is married to his ship/career. Horatio actually finds true love and marries twice. Kirk seems to be resigned to is fate, he knows he will always be alone, and this makes him desperate whenever the one thing he is good at (being Captain) is threatened. He makes mistakes, has bad days, and is given to occasional emotional excesses. Sometimes he makes a complete ass of himself (Requiem for M.).
Considering the fleet actions during the Dominion War under Sisko's command, I'd rather beam down with Kirk wearing a red shirt.I'd choose to serve under Sisko's command because he's a lot less likely to get me killed.
While Kirk is my favorite Captain, the one I'd most likely "like" would be Archer, even people who don't prefer his command style would agree that he seems like a real nice guy.
Least liked would be Sisko, more so than the other Captain's, Sisko has built himself a shell around his actual personality. Maybe it is for his own protection, but after seeing all of DS9 now, I still don't feel as though I know him.
It's not that I hate him, I just don't think I'd "like" him.
My favorites, from best to worst....
1.) Sisko - I like how he lets his emotions control him a lot of times, so unlike any of the others. He also seems to be the one who cares the most about those under his command.
2.) Archer - He's flawed, unlike Kirk or Picard, and I appreciate that.
3.) Picard - He's good, but can be an insufferable ass at times.
4.) Kirk - He also good, but more often than not comes across as shallow.
5.) Janeway - Terrible. It's not Mulgrew's fault, as she's a great actress. But the characterization was awful - they always tried to make her perfect, even when her decisions screamed for someone (most notably Chakotay) to question them.
6.) Nu-Kirk - the horror, the horror.
1.) Sisko - I like how he lets his emotions control him a lot of times, so unlike any of the others. He also seems to be the one who cares the most about those under his command.
2.) Archer - He's flawed, unlike Kirk or Picard, and I appreciate that.
3.) Picard - He's good, but can be an insufferable ass at times.
4.) Kirk - He also good, but more often than not comes across as shallow.
5.) Janeway - Terrible. It's not Mulgrew's fault, as she's a great actress. But the characterization was awful - they always tried to make her perfect, even when her decisions screamed for someone (most notably Chakotay) to question them.
6.) Nu-Kirk - the horror, the horror.
OK but in the same respects Picard has as well. The death of doctor Crusher's husband. His fake heart. The time he had to abandon a ship attacked by the ferangi(sorry if I misspelled).
Losing his Nephew and the rest of his family. Never getting married. Saving Earth twice. His career is all he has left.
Picard is more similar to Kirk than you think.
For me it's definitely Chris Pine's nuKirk. Not that I didn't like the actor, but the way he was written and portrayed he was far too imature, inexperienced and arrogant to be a convincing Starfleet Captain.
Archer comes in second for me on this list. For many of the reasons already posted in this thread.
As far as the other Captains go I can't find too much wrong with them and I have favourable opinions of all of them.
Archer comes in second for me on this list. For many of the reasons already posted in this thread.
As far as the other Captains go I can't find too much wrong with them and I have favourable opinions of all of them.