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Who is going to win this election in November?

Who will win the general presidential election?

  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 37 22.7%
  • Hillary Clinton

    Votes: 126 77.3%

  • Total voters
    163
  • Poll closed .
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I don't like either of the choices. It's basically a choice of one bad candidate or another bad candidate. Gary Johnson is a joke, and my state doesn't allow write-ins. I don't know which way I'll vote, and I probably won't know until I'm marking my ballot.
 
More false equivalence. :rolleyes:
Yeah, but as much as I'd love to say "Correction...it's a contest between a bland, uninspiring piece of the political furniture...and a radioactive orange dumpster fire," he's got the right to think that they're both equally bad. You might not get it and I might not get it, but to many people, Hillary is a horrible choice.

I'm glad she's running against Trump, really. She's cruising in this election (despite MORE emails that the conservatives will foam at the mouth over) because she's running against a radioactive dumpster fire that can't stop saying stupid, inflammatory things.
 
Yeah, but as much as I'd love to say "Correction...it's a contest between a bland, uninspiring piece of the political furniture...and a radioactive orange dumpster fire," he's got the right to think that they're both equally bad. You might not get it and I might not get it, but to many people, Hillary is a horrible choice.
Of course he has a right to think it and say it; no one has ever disputed that and pointing it out is unnecessary. That doesn't mean saying it is any less misleading and ignorant, and frankly irresponsible when dealing with someone as dangerous as Donald Trump and low-information voters who are so easily influenced by repetitive rhetoric. Whatever one feels about her politics (which are moderate and should not be that threatening to a moderate Republican who hasn't been living in a right-wing echo chamber) or ethical concerns which pale in comparison to Trump, Hillary Clinton is a proven public servant who does not represent a threat to the well being of the country. Donald Trump does, bottom line. Anyone who thinks they are even remotely comparable has not been paying attention or is blinded by partisanship, to put it very mildly. There's a limit to how much tolerance and tiptoeing around the issue I can drum up for lazy, ignorant, or apathetic people who are willing to sell out the country to a fascist. So yes, he has the right to potentially fuck up the country by possibly voting for Trump, but he should feel ashamed for doing so and guilty for the consequences his decision will have if Trump wins. There's too much at stake for him to not educate himself.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughTrum...a_final_response_to_the_tell_me_why_trump_is/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-racist-examples_us_56d47177e4b03260bf777e83
 
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...she's running against a radioactive dumpster fire that can't stop saying stupid, inflammatory things.
But that's what people who love Trump love about Trump. Pointing it out only gives him higher polls. The press, which keeps throwing itself against the same wall, attempting to drive its own narrative that he sucks, still doesn't seem to get it. Every demand for an apology is great marketing for The Donald. Every refused call for contrition is a bump in the poll. If there's one thing I enjoy about Trump, and I assure you it's the only thing, it's his psychological abuse of the flummoxed press and its fat owners who are used to telling The People what to think. Beyond that freak show, what a mess, and what a stupid, stupid press.
 
Of course he has a right to think it and say it; no one has ever disputed that and pointing it out is unnecessary. That doesn't mean saying it is any less misleading and ignorant, and frankly irresponsible when dealing with someone as dangerous as Donald Trump and low-information voters who are so easily influenced by repetitive rhetoric. Whatever one feels about her politics (which are moderate and should not be that threatening to a moderate Republican who hasn't been living in a right-wing echo chamber) or ethical concerns which pale in comparison to Trump, Hillary Clinton is a proven public servant who does not represent a threat to the well being of the country. Donald Trump does, bottom line. Anyone who thinks they are even remotely comparable has not been paying attention or is blinded by partisanship, to put it very mildly. There's a limit to how much tolerance and tiptoeing around the issue I can drum up for lazy, ignorant, or apathetic people who are willing to sell out the country to a fascist. So yes, he has the right to potentially fuck up the country by possibly voting for Trump, but he should feel ashamed for doing so and guilty for the consequences his decision will have if Trump wins. There's too much at stake for him to not educate himself.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughTrum...a_final_response_to_the_tell_me_why_trump_is/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-racist-examples_us_56d47177e4b03260bf777e83

I agree of course. But if someone is, at this point, still wondering about voting for Donald Trump despite ALL he has done and said, it shows that their mind is in a place you can't reach. It's closed off.

I was big into politics about 8 years ago. My dad is the textbook, stereotypical Fox News viewer. Birther. Racist. Fox News is on the TV all day, every day, at full volume. I would get tons of emails from him that parroted the same baseless neoconservative bullshit that you see on Facebook these days and fearmongering conservative blogs. Everything that wasn't on Fox News was a lie to him, global warming was a liberal lie, and LBJ (with help from Castro and the mob) killed Kennedy.

There was a time before the 2008 election that my brother and I tried an intervention. Not because McCain was a bad candidate per se, but because dad no longer subscribed to reality. His brain had been so warped by Fox News and conservative talk radio (Glenn Beck and Limbaugh) that he could no longer discern facts from outright lies meant to stoke his racism and fears over Barack Obama and other conservative talking points.

My brother and I tried to reason with him. We tried showing him fact-checking articles. Primary sources. We pointed at things that debunked the stuff he heard on Fox Noise. We showed him stuff written by people who worked at Fox, who said that it was all spin. Our goal wasn't turn "turn him liberal" (that's impossible), but to bring back some semblance of the guy who encouraged us to explore science and history and stuff like that. Y'know, embrace facts. Which he seemingly abandoned sometime after 2004 for some reason.

Of course it didn't work. It just made him double down. Today, in 2016, he is a Trump supporter and Hillary is the devil incarnate who is personally responsible (along with Obama) for Muslim extremism getting "out of control." And a former boss of mine, that I still keep in touch with, is the same way.

No matter how much it grates on you, you can't change someone's mind if it's ingrained enough in them. Just take heart in the fact that there's not enough of them in the country to elect Trump. They've always thought they're the majority but they're not...not by a long shot. And they're getting older. Most of them are in the 50-80 age demo, who can't handle that the world has changed since 1985.

They'll make a lot of noise, and perhaps win some primaries or house seats, but they'll never have the Presidency. Not this year, at least.
 
I don't like either of the choices. It's basically a choice of one bad candidate or another bad candidate. Gary Johnson is a joke, and my state doesn't allow write-ins. I don't know which way I'll vote, and I probably won't know until I'm marking my ballot.
Yeah. I dislike both Clinton and Trump so much that I too was considering doing a write in on my ballot also. Our "choices" this time around are no choices at all.
 
Clinton (finally ) pulled out the big guns today. Better late than never.
Yeah. My brother texted me this afternoon and said "Hillary finally hit Trump hard in her speech today. Watch it."

I usually don't like watching her speak because she reminds me of a teacher. But today she did pretty well. A couple of times, it actually got me excited about the debates. I wanted to see her onstage ripping apart all the stupid, simplistic crap Trump says and throwing it back at him. In my head at least, it'll look like a Grown Up vs. a Child.

She also held back a bit. I loved the part where she talked about Trump's religious screening, because that's totally true. I expected her to say "It's also what they did in Nazi Germany to screen for Jews," but she didn't. Perhaps wisely. She could've hit him so hard on that...how it creates a climate of fear, how there is no way to actually make it work without treading on people's liberties and using guesswork, but she only alluded to it. Of course, this leaves her open to the Trump Campaign saying "We've changed that plan. Now we'll only screen travelers from countries with known terrorist associations," or something like that, to weasel out of the criticism.

Listing the sampling of "headlines" from Breitbart was brutal. Great one. She hit him on Russia, too, but I expected her to go further.

Of course, nothing she said will change the mind of a Trump supporter, if any of them even watched it. And her joke about her health, while the best avenue she could've taken (don't even give it the decency of a proper reply) will be something they still latch onto in the coming days.

Are they saving the big hits for later on when he's reeling? I certainly hope she goes for the jugular. I just don't know if she wants to do it, because she thinks that's stooping to his level.
 
Yeah. I dislike both Clinton and Trump so much that I too was considering doing a write in on my ballot also. Our "choices" this time around are no choices at all.

Way to make your vote count. :techman:

My vote doesn't count. Neither Clinton nor Trump would care if I existed if they knew.

That's pathetic.
I want to comment further on this.

A write-in has, at best, only an astronomical chance of winning in a Presidential election. The odds might even be less than winning a million dollar lottery every week for the rest of your life. What you do when you vote for a candidate with long odds like that is make your vote count basically not at all, while at the same time making the vote of everyone else in your state who is voting for a candidate with a practical chance of winning count a little bit more. If you think your vote doesn't count, then voting for a write-in, or any candidate with long odds, is a perfect example of a self-fulfilling prophecy when it comes to voting in American Presidential elections. It's utterly self-defeating.

With respect to the whine that neither Clinton nor Trump would care if you existed, well, I can say with a very high level of confidence that in the case of the narcissist that's probably correct. In the other case, you know, of the career politician, I'm pretty confident that that's not literally true. However, if you're looking for proof of that, I'd suggest that you consider only realistic gages of it. You could start by seeing whether her policies would help or hurt you, though that's hardly conclusive. If, on the other hand, you're looking for her to drop in for Thanksgiving dinner or something, that's a pretty unrealistic expectation.
 
I'm disgusted that Trump saw fit to have a British far-right politician speak at an event. I wouldn't be surprised that Trump actually wants some kind of race war.
 
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