Who is going to win this election in November?
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Fuck term limits. An empty solution to a marginally concerning problem. If you have the right people in office who know how to do their jobs and deliver for both their consituents as well as the nation as a whole then I kind of want them to hang around for longer than two or three terms.
"The people" are supposed to be the term limits for shitty politicians. The politicians are merely the symptom of a larger disease.
Yup. I was having this discussion the other day. I was reading a rant the other day from a British friend of mine who is complaining about Brexit and calling the current government "fascist" for not doing exactly as he wants. It's not the first time either. But all throughout this ranting he never talks about the people who voted both for Brexit or the current government. Same applies for Trump. He gets much criticism, and rightly so. But the real indictment is not on Trump himself, no matter how much of a dangerous buffoon he is, it's on the people who voted to put him where he is.
What is the cure?
So, you don't have a proper reply, then?!
And the above reply had more substance somehow?
JeffinOakland's post merely agreed by saying people are the disease when they keep reelecting "shitty politicians." Thus term limits impose what The People are too stupid to do for themselves. I saw no need to say anything more than echo JeffinOakland's analysis in the voice of Agent Smith.
By the way, Hillary's comment yesterday about peaceful transitions of power, she still being pretentiously and patronizingly aghast at Trump's impotent refusal to concede, is specious. Trump has no power to transition. Only the outgoing and incoming Presidents are relevant. Trump is and will be neither.
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It is important that the opponent in an election concedes as it gives greater legitimacy to the winner/President and all the laws and actions carried out by the President and state.
If Donald Trump loses and fails to concede then many Trumps supporters will not accept that President Hillary Clinton has any authority and, in doing so, it puts the Presidents life in danger and it encourages resistance against the state (ie. not paying taxes, refusing to follow certain laws, rioting etc).
And if every loser refuses to conceed the election, in the future, the country could distabilize to the point of overthrow of government. Its a long way off, sure. But that is why many have condemned him for his remarks on this issue.
Honestly I expect him to concede if he loses anyway.
Also, I half expect him to win.
And, as I pointed out, less people would find Hillary Clinton to be a legitimate President if Donald Trump does not concede (if he loses).
First off, you misread @JeffinOakland 's post. Let's review ...
See, he said the people are supposed to be the term limits for shitty politicians. There's no reason for the people to vote out a politician doing a good job, unless there's another candidate for the same position who would do a better job. Legal term limits, though, make no difference between a good politician and a shitty politician.
Furthermore, the larger disease @JeffinOakland speaks of are not the people (or mankind as a whole). It's actually not quite clear what he means by that, but I suspect it's money in politics, uninformed voters, or something along these lines.
And, finally, even if "the people" were what @JeffinOakland meant by "the larger disease", that would cover only those able to vote in your system, not humanity as a whole. And that speach by Agent Smith is problematic in itself, because it blanks out that there are other mammals spread all over the world, most obviously felidae and canidae. Are they viruses, too?!
Being an alleged pedantrist, I know pedantry when I see it, so I'm ignoring your last two paragraphs.
As for paragraph #1, yes, the upper half of the bell curve has always paid the price for the lower half in terms of the lowest common denominator (though it does seem to be the reverse in terms of finances and work). There's no fixing it.
As for paragraph #1, yes, the upper half of the bell curve has always paid the price for the lower half in terms of the lowest common denominator (though it does seem to be the reverse in terms of finances and work). There's no fixing it.
What dictatorship? Who is the dictator you are talking about?Dictatorship is a marginally concerning problem?
Did you ever see The Simpsons episode "Trash of the Titans", where Homer runs for Springfield's Sanitation Commissioner?! Term limits basically replace qualified Ray Pattersons with in-over-their-heads Homer Simpsons.
As others have pointed out already, term limits are no solution to shitty politicians, because good politicians have to leave office without reason, and bad politicians take their place. Not to mention the learning period takes valuable time out of governing. You have yet to produce a good counter-argument. Instead, all we get from you are fatalistic platitudes that don't hold up at closer examination, and that Agent Smith clip falls exactly into that pattern.
And, yes, there is fixing the system without term limits. Like campaign finance reform, an informed public, etc., but all that takes time and effort. Term limits are just so easy and convenient.
I will be so glad when these elections are over.
Maybe we will have a couple of weeks before the "Election 2020" cycle begins.
Me, I'm voting for Stormy:
http://henican.com/category/cartoons-voice-over/
Maybe we will have a couple of weeks before the "Election 2020" cycle begins.
Me, I'm voting for Stormy:
http://henican.com/category/cartoons-voice-over/
There's no fixing the bell curve. Half the people and politicians will always stupidly and collectively drag the rest along.
But @Robert Maxwell pooh-poohed things like, quoting myself, "getting rid of Citizens United, female empowerment, and science as a rule" as a package veto just to get rid of my list of things to change, which included term limits. He didn't like term limits either, so threw the rest under the bus. That post is, maybe, a microcosm of the kind of prevalent and polarized political illogic we're facing.
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