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Who has done a TOS E cross-section?

Here's a tip for anyone interested in getting things done even if it's a hobby for your own enjoyment: stop (or at least cut down) surfing the net and message boards. It's frightening how much time it eats up and how quickly. You think you'll only spend about fifteen minutes checking messages and threads and next thing you know it's an hour and a half later!
 
Interesting thread. Hopefully it won't turn into a holy war.

I had a thought the other day: the only part of the ship that we ever saw for SURE was the hangar deck. Everything else is either conjecture or "artist's intent" (e.g. the bridge turbolift). But we can match the full scale shuttle to the shuttle miniature, the shuttle miniature to the hangar, the inside of the hangar to the outside of the hangar. I bet we end up with bigger than 1080'.

Yeah, yeah, we had the inside windows from time to time as well I suppose. But I think that's a more tenuous link.

Speaking of hangars, what is up with the hangar on the Starfleet Museum plans? Did he abandon the on-screen hangar entirely or are my plan reading skills FUBARed?
 
Interesting thread. Hopefully it won't turn into a holy war.

I had a thought the other day: the only part of the ship that we ever saw for SURE was the hangar deck. Everything else is either conjecture or "artist's intent" (e.g. the bridge turbolift). But we can match the full scale shuttle to the shuttle miniature, the shuttle miniature to the hangar, the inside of the hangar to the outside of the hangar. I bet we end up with bigger than 1080'.

Yeah, yeah, we had the inside windows from time to time as well I suppose. But I think that's a more tenuous link.

Speaking of hangars, what is up with the hangar on the Starfleet Museum plans? Did he abandon the on-screen hangar entirely or are my plan reading skills FUBARed?
 
Interesting thread. Hopefully it won't turn into a holy war.

I had a thought the other day: the only part of the ship that we ever saw for SURE was the hangar deck. Everything else is either conjecture or "artist's intent" (e.g. the bridge turbolift). But we can match the full scale shuttle to the shuttle miniature, the shuttle miniature to the hangar, the inside of the hangar to the outside of the hangar. I bet we end up with bigger than 1080'.

Well, once you do the corrections for the forced perspective aspect of the miniature set, and take into account the differences between the shuttlecraft miniature and the full size mockup...:ack:

I prefer to just wing it. :D
 
Well for what it's worth I hope my take on the TOS shuttlecraft helps. Allow me to add that I tried my design in both aridas' and CRA's cross-sections (adjusted for correct scale) and the craft fit in each fine.

That said I've always been keen on tackling the hangar deck and related facilities particularly after seeing others' takes on it. Thing is who knows when I'll find the time.
 
FWIW, it is fascinating to see just how many different ways the Enterprise's internal arrangement, especially the engines/reactors, can be drawn by the fan-artists.

Most "techie"-inclined fans probably just went along with what FJ drew in his plans 35 years ago. I like the diversity of views, though. Even if you don't look at the different takes as competing views, they underscore the thoughtful approaches to their respective concepts. They also reveal that STAR TREK has always been "specifically vague", that is, the writing and acting has always relied as much on the viewer's imagination as on the substance as presented in sets, schematics, lines of dialogue spoken, etc.

Thank you to all the authors of the cross-section designs shown/linked in this thread.
 
I know aridas, Shaw, CRA, Tallguy, Professor Moriarty have done cross-sections and we'd like to see those, but there may well be others.
Like saying Beetlejuice three times, you have conjured my appearance. Sorry, but I never did a cross-section. Now back to your originally-scheduled programming...
 
based on my very long time in working on it cad plans, the enterprise is 984 feet long. subject to change. this is based on the Frank Joseph blue prints the 11 foot model and a lot of other sources that i have fond over the years including information that is purported to have come from the writers guide to star trek put out by gene himself. mu cad drawings will be posted on ling a some future date and place as yet to be determined. i hope also that a 3d model will be made from them shortly after that.
 
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Always enjoy seeing that image on one of many Star Trek 25th Anniversary TOS trading cards that i have :)
 
For what it's worth, here's one I did 20+ years ago in old fashioned pen-and-ink. This was obviously pre-interweb and my resources at the time included things like "Photonovels" and "watching TV." :)

The original is about 3 feet long and was obviously inspired by David Kimble's fantastic work.



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As it stands right now, the projects I've been spending my spare time on are the ones that peak my curiosity the most... and things always have to be put on hold for work.

You're preaching to the choir, sir. Sigh.
 
For what it's worth, here's one I did 20+ years ago in old fashioned pen-and-ink. This was obviously pre-interweb and my resources at the time included things like "Photonovels" and "watching TV." :)

The original is about 3 feet long and was obviously inspired by David Kimble's fantastic work.



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This looks awesome... :) :techman:
 
Not that I've ever attempted a deck plan but has anyone considered taking the forced perspective miniature of the shuttle bay for what it is - a cost cutting measure for the sake of TV production - and just ignoring it rather than trying to compensate for it? What if the levels and lines of the shuttle bay were supposed to be straight instead of following the angle of the top of the hull?

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Yeah, I know this flies in the face of MJ's drawings but what if his shuttle bay interior was just a first attempt, something he intended to go back and refine or alter later and couldn't get to because of time, budget or whatever else forced them to go with what he had ready at that moment?
 
^^ Well, if most everyone starts from the description of the ship's internal arrangement as given in The Making Of Star Trek then I think there's likely to be quite a bit of common ground.

There are some things to consider:
- is the 947 ft. figure for the ship's length set in stone? I'd say "no" because it has never been stated onscreen. I believe it was Shaw who came up with a figure slightly shy of 947 and there's also been a case made for a 1080 ft. length if the 11 ft. model was measured in a proper scale. aridas and others have managed to fit everything into a 947 ft. ship so that tends to give the figure weight and credibility. But it might be interesting to see someone render a 1080 ft. ship and see what effect that would have for some of the ship's internal arrangement. It's only about a 13-14% difference in length, but what difference would that make in terms of total internal volume gained?
- in like manner is the 190,000 gross tons displacement as referenced in TMOST set in stone? Again I'd say "no" because it's never stated onscreen.
- whether the bridge forward facing or offset it's dead certain it's at the top of the primary saucer hull. The shuttlecraft flight deck is unquestionably at the aft end of secondary hull.
- Engineering is definitely situated in the "lower levels," but does this mean the lower levels of the primary hull or in the secondary hull?
- onscreen we hear reference to aft phasers, but where are they located? TMOST makes references to phaser banks atop the main hull, but where? Exactly where are the photon torpedoes firing from and of what nature and form are they?
- where is Auxiliary Control located?
- Sickbay is said to be in the heart of the saucer, but where exactly?

It's interesting to see the different solutions to the same issue because information is weighed and interpreted differently.

I can also get behind the 1080 length.
 
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