Who had to die before Seven took Command?

[Guy Gardener]

They are routinely saying that Seven is not in Voyagers Command structure, but do you really think that she's going think Voyager under the Command of Captain Tom Paris is safe for the crew trying to get home with and safe for any of weekly threats and dopes trying to pull a fast one or in need of saving?

There's a boat load (ship load) of lieutenants that just guest starred for an episode never to be heard form again, Crikey even Alaya was a lieutenant which put him on the totem above Kim...

Captain Kim?

Kim argued with the ECH like IT had an opinion worth listening to, gods knows how Harry would have the cahones to argue and debate his leadership qualities against a real person that he wouldn't submit the crew into slavery at the first obstacle.

There's a point where Seven would leave rather than risk the stink of imperfection (or vivisection AGAIN!), and there's another point where she would "gracefully" offer herself up as their new Captain becuase no one else is better than she, in that Borgs own opinion... Or leave.

Would Lieutenant Carey stand aside like he did for B'Elanna in Engineering or would he actually step up and take the opportunity he had been working his ass off towards for the last 20(ish) years?

Captain Dalby FFS!!!

 

[Akiraprise]

Seven is Borg.
There is no higher authority than that.
Seven allowed Janeway to retain her command when she came aboard.

 

[od0_ital]

To answer the question, everybody. Seven didn't have a rank, uniform, or anything that would put her anywhere near the chain of command.

Even the Doctor - a freakin' HOLOGRAM!!!! - could be in control of the ship before Seven of Nine!!!

 

[Guy Gardener]

The only "thing" Seven of Nine needed to get a rank was the will and possibility humility to ask for one. The first officer, 3rd and fourth officers all had fake or assumed imaginary ranks that made all the individualized decades of education and elbow grease from hundred plus "real" crew had been rendered superfluous.

Depending on the remaining attributes, skills and general coolness of the surviving crew, the crapper they were, the higher the rank Seven would or should be awarded... But anything short of the XO position would be... And then would it be desertion if she refused to be an Ensign? Seems like a can of worms it wouldn't be wise to open.

But then asking for a rank is not the same as elbowing her way into the top over the top of a couple smoking corpses.

Picard took command after the Stargazer's Captain got capped.

It didn't sound like he was the fist in line to take the seat, or it wouldn't have been such a big deal.

Worked out fine for him.

Kept the ship and everything.

Remember Ro thinking about locking Dee in the Captain's ready room during TNG Disaster because the chain of command was going to get everyone killed?

And when T'Pol tabled (it's a card game term, but golly that does sound dirty.) Tucker kicking him back down into Engineering and under her because "Vulcan Ranks" were transferable into Starfleet (The other way around I think not, a Vulcan pastry chef would take command before Archer during a command crisis on a Vulcan Vessel.).

 

[Shatnertage]

Didn't they make up a rank for NaomiWildman? Something like "Assistant to the Regional Starfleet Captain?"

So does that mean NaomiWildman outranks Seven?

 

[Guy Gardener]

"Captains Assistant"

Which sounds much like a Yeoman from what I remember of Rand back in her TOS days before she was a transporter chief in the first movie, which is a duty position more so than a rank, since Rand eventually rose to XO of the Excelsior, it's not clear what her "rank" was on the Enterprise or if she transitioned from enlisted to officer.

The kid, nah.

Neelix's "Morale Officer" title fit into the command structure how?

Hmm what about old Naomi from Shattered?

Screen caps?

Was Icheb a cadet since he was taking Academy Classes?

 

[Shatnertage]

Having just seen "Nightingale," I would give command to NaomiWildman long before I gave it to Harry Kim.

 

[DeepSpaceWine]

It's a good question. Morale would have been low if it got a few notches down barring old age, though that wouldn't stop Tuvok. Hell, if it did take them the full 75 years, it would just be Tuvok, the Doctor, probably Seven, and the offspring of any crewmembers.

The chain of command would be, as we've seen before.
Janeway
|
Chakotay
|
Tuvok

- Kim: We've seen Kim in command on the night shift (cue the early 80s song), though when everyone was melting like the whole crew was the Wicked Witch of the West, Kim was in command and Seven was following his orders... well, sort of. It seemed more like cooperation, she command engineering, he command the bridge.

- The Doctor: we've only seen him formally in command of Voyager when everyone was gone (TTDS was a ruse, TNG did that in "The Emissary" with Worf in command) and the remaining crew were searching for the rest of the crew in "Workforce". On a ship with 1 Doctor and a marginally reliable medic, the only time the Doctor would belong more in command than in sickbay is on a ship with no crew.

- I don't recall Paris or Torres being in command. Neelix can only command his shuttle. Torres belongs in engineering to keep the ship flying (though if need be, Carey can decloak and take over).

She did have no rank, but if everyone thru Tuvok was out of commission, I think the crew's going to be more interested in whole will be the best leader, not who's next in command. She runs astrometrics, which the scanning is important, but engineering & sickbay are more important and besides, the Delaney sisters can do it. They were doing it before Seven came along. And there's 2 of them. 2 human Starfleet should at least come somewhat close to 1 ex-Borg.


So, I think she might be 4th in command unless Torres has a chief engineer in waiting, at which point I'm guessing 5th. Then again, maybe there's some invisible high ranking lt. who would fill the role.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I just don't think Seven respects B'Elanna.

She respects the person not the position, and i'm surprised these two didn't shank each other as it was as they kept out of each others way.

To be a "bridge Officer" you have to go through that test where Dee murdered HoloGeordie to save the ship... Which would have happened at the Academy for most of them who werenot terrorist scum.

Kim in charge of the Night shift is like when Kermit the Frog used to subhost for Carson on the Tonight Show, besides anyway Kim's supposed to wake up Tuvok at the first sign of anything serious happening (Warhead) which makes the lad just a glorified alarm clock more so than an acting Captain.

Did Seven or anyone else refer to Seven as "Captain" in that episode where the rest of the crew went into stasis to avoid a radiation oopsie?