Respectfully disagree. I think the acting in these new movies has been excellent.
Who Did The Best Acting Job in NuTrek?
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Respectfully disagree. I think the acting in these new movies has been excellent.
But is it Nimoy-Spock or Quinto-Spock?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPk-nJhXMiE&t=0m46sAren't they the same?
I agree. The TOS movies just flowed so well in terms of the characters acting that seem to be so natural. I guess the new ones really cant since the characters and actors are just meeting. The thing that bothered me about STID is that the characters still seemed to be in their academy mode especially Kirk. Kirk did get more serious by mid movie but if the next movie has him fall back into that frat boy attitude it wil be a mistake. They should have Kirk at his "Where No Man Has Gone Before" stage by the third movie. A serious and career minded Captain that has his number one concern and care for his ship and crew minus the occasional comedy relief episode like Harry Mudd or the the Trouble with Tribbles.
I really liked Zachary Quinto. I thought he was "Spock on" in the role. I don't care for Zoe Saldana though. Her version of Uhura is annoying and mean.
I haven't seen much of TOS so I can't comment on the Spock/Uhura relationship but in the reboots they are just kind of thrown together, no hints of fondness from either of them. Did they just become a couple because it happened in the series?
The earlier episodes of TOS had some mild flirting and repartee between them, but that's the inspiration behind pairing them together.
As for the reboots, they only seem like they were thrown together because they were already paired up before the main story even started. So you're not going to see them eventually get to the point of romance because they're already there. If there's ever a flashback, then we'll probably see it.
But I just watched the first half of Into Darkness again and their argument on Mudd's ship was pretty intense, with the appropriate amount of acting, which laid their primary relationship issues pretty clearly (human emotion vs. Vulcan concept of emotion). But that only seems put together because it's not actually central or integral to the story; it *is* integral to the characters in their connection to each other, though.
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Back to the original topic, I gave Pine a shout out, but in hindsight I'd like to reevaluate it and push it even further; there were a couple more moments that I didn't realize before where he was channeling Shatner (at Starfleet HQ when he thought they were getting the 5 year mission; again on their way to Kronos when Spock stands over him and Kirk remains seated at the captain's chair; and the scene on the Brig). But to praise his acting through Shatner is a bit unfair to him -- it's nice to see but it's really just sprinkles to the dessert. Rather, I've come to appreciate Pine's ability to go from cocky to inquisitive to angry to scared to funny over the course of the movie. That's no mere impression of Shatner, that's understanding the character of Kirk as one of the firm foundations of classic Trek lore.
Uhura MEAN? 
Whoa Mccoy and Spock must be 'evil' for you then..
If you read the script of the first movie it's implied that the relationship sort of was their little secret but they definitely got together before the main story arc happened.
Anyway, there are definitely hints of fondness before the kiss scene.
- when spock assigned her to the farragut to 'avoid the appearance of favoritism'. Just that is enough as a clue but pay attention to his face in the whole scene. At one point when they are walking he smirks while listening to her quoting his own comments about her skills as a communication officer. There is subtle familiarity and old married couple vibes.
- when Kirk gets on the bridge with his theory that they are under attack and he reveals that Uhura's the one who intercepted the transmission: Spock's stare man.
and he essentially takes Kirk's theory into consideration only after she supported it, and he praises her skills to Pike telling him it would be wise to listen to her.
- you can't miss the biggest hint that is the part when Chekov says that Spock's home planet has only minutes left and Spock leaves the captain chair. Uhura stops him by the lift and asks him what he is doing ,which is not the clue because any officer on the bridge would have the right to ask why the acting captain is abandoning his post and the ship. The clue is the way he pauses, looks at her worried and he tells her that he wants to save his parents (he implies something personal). It's the fact that she calls him Spock and she's visibly worried for him, it's the way he looks at her when he says he doesn't have a choice. They look at each other even as the lift doors are closing.
Of course, it had to be subtle otherwise it would ruin the surprise when they reveal that they are together later. It's not bad writing, it's a definite narrative choice. Not all the subplots and stories are told in details since the beginning.
Personally, I like it. It's also fitting with his character. I like the fact that for the most part they look like co-workers and it's some little moments that hint there is more between them.
I like this dichotomy between who they are when they are working and who they are in private and to each other.
There are some more subtle moments in the last movie too when, for example, Marcus attacks the ship and he says he'll kill them: in the background behind Kirk you can see Spock walking from his station to where Uhura is standing and they seem to hold hands while waiting for their demise. It's a little thing and not 'in your face' but effective nonetheless.
Whoa Mccoy and Spock must be 'evil' for you then..If you read the script of the first movie it's implied that the relationship sort of was their little secret but they definitely got together before the main story arc happened.
Anyway, there are definitely hints of fondness before the kiss scene.
- when spock assigned her to the farragut to 'avoid the appearance of favoritism'. Just that is enough as a clue but pay attention to his face in the whole scene. At one point when they are walking he smirks while listening to her quoting his own comments about her skills as a communication officer. There is subtle familiarity and old married couple vibes.
- when Kirk gets on the bridge with his theory that they are under attack and he reveals that Uhura's the one who intercepted the transmission: Spock's stare man.
and he essentially takes Kirk's theory into consideration only after she supported it, and he praises her skills to Pike telling him it would be wise to listen to her. - you can't miss the biggest hint that is the part when Chekov says that Spock's home planet has only minutes left and Spock leaves the captain chair. Uhura stops him by the lift and asks him what he is doing ,which is not the clue because any officer on the bridge would have the right to ask why the acting captain is abandoning his post and the ship. The clue is the way he pauses, looks at her worried and he tells her that he wants to save his parents (he implies something personal). It's the fact that she calls him Spock and she's visibly worried for him, it's the way he looks at her when he says he doesn't have a choice. They look at each other even as the lift doors are closing.
Of course, it had to be subtle otherwise it would ruin the surprise when they reveal that they are together later. It's not bad writing, it's a definite narrative choice. Not all the subplots and stories are told in details since the beginning.
Personally, I like it. It's also fitting with his character. I like the fact that for the most part they look like co-workers and it's some little moments that hint there is more between them.
I like this dichotomy between who they are when they are working and who they are in private and to each other.
There are some more subtle moments in the last movie too when, for example, Marcus attacks the ship and he says he'll kill them: in the background behind Kirk you can see Spock walking from his station to where Uhura is standing and they seem to hold hands while waiting for their demise. It's a little thing and not 'in your face' but effective nonetheless.
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Maybe rude is a better word then? Especially to Kirk.
Let's see where Uhura is 'rude' to Kirk:
- she gets into a bar and a drunk dude hits on her. I guess her not being interested and her being annoyed by the unwanted attention is rude. She's beautiful, she must expect that to happen, right?
- she gets into her room and starts undressing because that's is her room..only to find the same dude hiding under her roommate's bed, essentially spying on her while undressing. How rude for her to tell him to get out.
- she is partecipating to an academy test but the dude playing 'captain' is using the test as some joke and doesn't take it seriously compromising the simulation, and ultimately he cheats. How rude for her to be annoyed or sarcastic like dude's best friend also is. After all, all these cadets had time to waste for Kirk's little show and maybe the whole thing would badly affect their academy curriculum or it was their only, or one of the few, chance to partecipate to that test and show their skills but who cares. You don't think the simulation had an important purpose for them.
- the same dude is constantly insubordinate with the acting captain of the ship where she works and in a time of crisis where they are all in danger, that person had just taken advantage of the acting captain's grief for the loss of his home planet and mother to become the captain in his place . A cadet without experience who had cheated on an academy test and wouldn't be on the enterprise if his friend hadn't sneaked him aboard, a cadet that for all Uhura knows is just trying to get a personal revenge against Spock all the while earth is in danger. How rude for her to say she hopes he knows what he is doing. After all, his friend is also super supportive.
Not even taking into consideration how she must have felt watching Kirk tell the man she loves, and who she knows is suffering, that he doesn't care about the death of his mother he had literally watched die that same day. Do you also have any idea how humiliating it was for Spock to lose control like that and attack Kirk? Man, were his actions bad but why you think no one stopped him (but Sarek) and defended Kirk? (Not even his friend!)
Tos Uhura was 'softer' and she would be nicer with Kirk, sure.
And again, how is that Uhura is mean or rude yet, Mccoy's own behavior with Kirk (and Spock) is not?
Kirk had to earn Uhura's respect , and he did eventually. She represented the audience that might be sceptic about him being a good captain. Both her annoyance and then friendship for him in the second movie make sense in context. Their dynamic is sort of like the kirk/spock one, I might even say it's actually more realistic and consistent in writing than theirs. Neverthless, she isn't more rude or mean than Kirk and Spock (and Mccoy) are.
I wont just use the term thrown together or the term no fondness because it could display small ignorance from your part or maybe you did not grow up in usa to know usa history uhura could not be with anyone romantically in the 60s because back them interracial dating was still a criminal offence in many part of usa and was looked down on.
Her kiss with kirk caught a backlash that the ratings plummeted according to gorge takei.
so you cant put uhura on the scale as the other white female characters that had fondness /interest with the guys because her character did not have that liberty to have any interest with them because of the race issue.
kirk cheat on exams
spies on her as she is changing her dress
flirt with her while drunk
indirectly sexually harasses her with no regret
And you think she was rude to kirk? I am sorry but I find that weird coming from a girl that you some how sympathise with kirk the abuser and not uhura the victim.
if it was me, kirk will be lucky that he got no restraining others. I think this is one of the situations where girls due to their love for the guys like kirk will excuse all his bad behaviour but some how demonize the girl like uhura who was clearly in the wrong and victim.
you think you dont have the right to be rude to a person that grabs your boobs and hits on you while drink or worse gets into a fight in front of you? and I wont call been rude to one person means you are rude in general. she has only acted mean to kirk for his bad behaviour and she has gotten over it they are on good terms in the second film. she never acted rude to anyone else in the film unlike kirk who was a frat boy jerk for most of the first fil
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There must been a way for you to make your points without stooping to personal jabs. I'm pretty sure I've also asked you specifically not to call another poster ignorant.
If you cannot attack the content of a post without at the same time attacking the person who wrote it, it would be better that you refrain from posting altogether until you've corrected that inability.
@Dales I do not sympathize with Kirk. Yeah he was a jerk to her in the beginning of the first movie but in the second movie she still seems to have a bad attitude towards him as if she is still holding on to her hatred for him.
I'm sorry, I'm genuinely curious about when did Uhura show any hatred for Kirk in the last movie?
Was it when she's the one who asked him if he was ok after Pike died? Was it when she dragged him out of the line of fire (with Spock) when he was down injured and she took him away to protect him? Was it when she stood by him and compassionately put a hand on his shoulder when his friend was in danger? Was it when she cried watching him die?
Was it when she beamed in the middle of a fight between two super humans to not only save her boyfriend but also save Kirk by stopping Spock before he killed the only person who could save Kirk?
I don't even know... Beside Mccoy, she's even more a friend to Kirk and acting as a friend to him than Spock!
Out of curiosity, what do you think about Spock's behavior with Kirk minus the death scene?
It boggles my mind that Uhura's behavior is the most noticeable when Kirk's supposed best friend wannabe is the same who almost killed him and who used the death of his father against him when he cheated the maru test. Not to even mention the delta vega accident.
It seems to me some people resent Uhura for essentially having same or similar agency the male characters have. What does 'softer' even means? Staying in her place? Be always like 'yes, sir'? Be sweet and feminine always and in every context because that's what is expected from a lady?
Tos Uhura was limited as a character because of the sexism and racism of the era, but even tos Uhura had way more spirit than what some fans give her credit for. Her voice might be less heard but she wasn't exactly scared to call people out on their s**t either.
The acting hasn't been bad for the most part. Some of the characters just don't seem like their counterparts anymore. Karl Urban did a great job as McCoy. Did you at least like his performance? It was a spot on without being a parody. I actually wish they would have expanded Urbans role as McCoy more.
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