Who actually fought in the Xindi War?

[Damian]

As for the differences in the look of the Abrams films vs. the rest of Trek, that's also easy to explain:

The crew of the Kelvin took detailed scans of the Narada and managed to upgrade its technology. That's why everything looks so much more advanced. (IMHO, the look of the actual Kelvin itself is entirely compatible with the TOS aesthetic..)

And there was another poster here (unfortunately I've forgotten exactly who ) who suggested another reason: After the divergence, Admiral Marcus became the Starfleet c-in-c in the kelvin timeline, and pursued a much more militaristic and aggressive stance than Admiral Nogura did in prime.

Yeah, I've heard that before. I don't recall, was it in the novelization for Star Trek (2009) also? But it would make sense.

And I thought there were elements of the Kelvin that felt like they could fit in the years between Enterprise and the original series, though I'll admit maybe I'm projecting a bit. The only thing that felt out of place was the size of the ship, with 800+ people on board, is way more then ships at the time could carry..well, that and the window on the bridge (I know, a persistent complaint of mine).

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I'm still holding out hope for Robau (Prime) to appear on DSC. Faran Tahir has said he'd love to return and would gladly play Robau again if DSC came calling.

I don't know what he'd be doing on the show, though...President of the Federation, perhaps?

 

[XCV330]

I'm still holding out hope for Robau (Prime) to appear on DSC. Faran Tahir has said he'd love to return and would gladly play Robau again if DSC came calling.

I don't know what he'd be doing on the show, though...President of the Federation, perhaps?

Using him in the war against the Klingons would have constituted a weapon of mass destruction, so he had to be given a desk job.

 

[YLu]

Opening up the universe to new concepts that would never be possible in the existing formulation of Star Trek would introduce many new opportunities for creativity. Like, imagine having the freedom to redesign Klingons or Andorians or Cardassians as nonhumanoid aliens. Imagine setting the show much farther in the future and coming up with a whole new history for how the Federation came about. Imagine mixing and matching characters from different Trek series and eras the way superhero adaptations mix and match characters and storylines. Imagine building the universe around 21st-century science fiction concepts instead of the quaint, pulpy stuff that TOS was based on. What you're talking about is a single act of creativity, the beginning of the series. I'm talking about opening new doors for the ongoing creative process of telling stories once the setting is established.

I would *love* to see something like that.

On the other hand, I feel if you properly go that route and really make the most out of it, you'll end up with something so different from Star Trek as we know it that you're better off making it a completely new property, rather than keep it attached, however tenuously, to the baggage that any rebooted franchise would have.

It can have the spirit of Star Trek without being Star Trek. Luckily, spirit isn't copyrightable.

 

[Kor]

Who actually fought in the Xindi War?

The Xindi. Or is this a trick question?

Kor

 

[The Wormhole]

I don't know what he'd be doing on the show, though...President of the Federation, perhaps?

Too insignificant a position for Robau.

 

[Damian]

I would *love* to see something like that.

On the other hand, I feel if you properly go that route and really make the most out of it, you'll end up with something so different from Star Trek as we know it that you're better off making it a completely new property, rather than keep it attached, however tenuously, to the baggage that any rebooted franchise would have.

It can have the spirit of Star Trek without being Star Trek. Luckily, spirit isn't copyrightable.

That was sort of my point about parameters (I used boundaries but that is probably not the right word). I was not advocating any sort of censorship. Just that there are certain things that make Star Trek 'Star Trek'.

I'm one that prefers a continuity to what I watch. I would probably not get into a totally revamped Star Trek that bears little resemblance to existing Star Trek. Now I'm not obsessive about it. I'd like to think I'm flexible, but only to a point.

But that's me. CBS/Paramount is going to do what ultimately makes the most money. That's what it really comes down to. If reimaging Star Trek and making Klingons into amorphous blue blobs makes money, that's what they are going to do. I'm not delusional enough to think they really care what I think. I opine here frequently but it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I'm still holding out hope for Robau (Prime) to appear on DSC. Faran Tahir has said he'd love to return and would gladly play Robau again if DSC came calling.

I don't know what he'd be doing on the show, though...President of the Federation, perhaps?

He's not likely to show up on Discovery, but with Star Trek 4 brining back George Kirk, the likelihood of flashbacks or time travel to the USS Kelvin in 2233 are pretty high.

 

[Damian]

He's not likely to show up on Discovery, but with Star Trek 4 brining back George Kirk, the likelihood of flashbacks or time travel to the USS Kelvin in 2233 are pretty high.

Yeah, I could see that. Also would Discovery have issues bringing Robau on due to ownership issues? I'm thinking of the novels and how at this point they can't yet use Abramsverse created storylines and characters. Would that apply to Discovery also since it's CBS and the movies are Paramount/Bad Robot? I'm not sure how that all plays into a TV show.

 

[XCV330]

Yeah, I could see that. Also would Discovery have issues bringing Robau on due to ownership issues? I'm thinking of the novels and how at this point they can't yet use Abramsverse created storylines and characters. Would that apply to Discovery also since it's CBS and the movies are Paramount/Bad Robot? I'm not sure how that all plays into a TV show.

With the attempt from NA To sell CBS to Viacom seeming to fade, maybe they can work a deal out on that finally, but I would not hold my breath.

 

[Kytee]

Unfortunately, a quirk of licensing has prevented Pocket Books from overtly using content from the Kelvin Timeline films, so we haven't been able to explore Edison's remark.

But I agree it's certainly possible that there could've been other Xindi raids on human territory during the year that Enterprise was in the Expanse and out of contact with Starfleet. Edison's "We lost millions in the Xindi and Romulan wars" could've been a distorted memory, exaggerating the scope of the Xindi conflict in century-old hindsight, but there could've been some clashes that he participated in (though I think it would've been before he was given command of the Franklin, since the film said that was after the UFP was founded).

@Christopher can I ask about the bolded part ?
sounds like original content from the new movies can't be used in the books; does that mean you are saying you cannot write a story about the character Edison specifically or are you saying the whole concept of expanding the Xindi conflict is off the table since that idea was first brought up in the movie?

If you are still free to write about other Xindi battles that did not appear on screen in Enterprise, could you 'Easter egg' the Edison character ? Maybe an off hand reference that astute readers might assume is Edison but does not directly name him ?

Is there a line of books based on the new movies already ? or in the works ?

I jump around when I read star trek books so it's interesting to know more about how some are connected and why some arent,.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

sounds like original content from the new movies can't be used in the books

That used to be true, but not anymore.

Is there a line of books based on the new movies already ? or in the works ?

There were four Kelvin-timeline novels all ready to be released, but Bad Robot ordered them cancelled at the last minute, for reasons they have yet to explain.

 

[yenny]

The best way to find out who faught in the Xindi war is to look at the starships that meet the Enterprise at the end of Storm Front part 2.
Unless Earth has lest then 2 dozen starships, a majority of Earth Fleet would have been in the expanse helping out the Enterprise. From searching for the weapon, to resupplying, to support and military stricks on key targets.
Even though we haven't seen the Enterprise meeting another Earth ships in the expanse, beside her own copy, both Archer, Stran and the Xindi counsil give clues that other Earth ships were in the expanse beside the Enterprise.

 

[XCV330]

The best way to find out who faught in the Xindi war is to look at the starships that meet the Enterprise at the end of Storm Front part 2.
Unless Earth has lest then 2 dozen starships, a majority of Earth Fleet would have been in the expanse helping out the Enterprise. From searching for the weapon, to resupplying, to support and military stricks on key targets.
Even though we haven't seen the Enterprise meeting another Earth ships in the expanse, beside her own copy, both Archer, Stran and the Xindi counsil give clues that other Earth ships were in the expanse beside the Enterprise.

One of those may have been the generational-ship version of Enterprise.

 

[Damian]

The best way to find out who faught in the Xindi war is to look at the starships that meet the Enterprise at the end of Storm Front part 2.
Unless Earth has lest then 2 dozen starships, a majority of Earth Fleet would have been in the expanse helping out the Enterprise. From searching for the weapon, to resupplying, to support and military stricks on key targets.
Even though we haven't seen the Enterprise meeting another Earth ships in the expanse, beside her own copy, both Archer, Stran and the Xindi counsil give clues that other Earth ships were in the expanse beside the Enterprise.

I don't know. I think it was pretty clear the Enterprise was alone in the Expanse. I just finished up season 3 and I can't think of any instance where I thought there were other Starfleet ships in the Expanse helping out. Between navigating the anomalies, the barrier, the fact that the Enterprise was basically crippled after the Xindi-Reptilian attack on the Enterprise and they had to resort to stealing another ship's warp core to continue it's mission. Even when they ran across the older Enterprise, the Xindi mentioned seeing the possibility of one other ship (that being the 'older' Enterprise). They speculated early in the season that maybe the Enterprise was the first of a fleet to come looking for them, but that's not the same as spotting other ship.

The Enterprise was the most advanced ship in the fleet at the time. I wouldn't read too much into the fleet you saw after Storm Front. First of all, other ships may have been elsewhere at the time. Patrolling outside the Solar System, or even in other nearby systems. And they may not have been all the ships in the area, some ships may have been elsewhere within the Solar System and just didn't take part in the welcoming committee for various reasons (being under repair, refit, resupply, etc.).

Krall's comment at the end of Beyond is probably two fold. One he's referring to wars as plural because he's talking about 2 different conflicts. And he's inflating the incident with the Xindi to that of war even though technically it wasn't, not uncommon.

 

[XCV330]

And he's inflating the incident with the Xindi to that of war even though technically it wasn't, not uncommon.

We don't know that it wasn't. Most of season 3 is shown far away from Sol. Earth also had colonies beyond Sol so its possible there were attacks there, or as I said before, incursions. The Xindi intention was genocide. Regardless, whether declared or not it was a state of war. Earth still had diplomatic flighs back and forth to Vulcan, as well as traffic between her colonies, all of which would have required armed escort.

 

[Kytee]

There were four Kelvin-timeline novels all ready to be released, but Bad Robot ordered them cancelled at the last minute, for reasons they have yet to explain.

wow, that's sad to hear. It always amazes me how often this sort of thing happens in entertainment. It like when you hear about a movie being completely re-written or a script getting shelved.

I always think about the artist behind the work, they put all their effort into a creative endeavor only to never see it come to light.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

wow, that's sad to hear. It always amazes me how often this sort of thing happens in entertainment. It like when you hear about a movie being completely re-written or a script getting shelved.

I always think about the artist behind the work, they put all their effort into a creative endeavor only to never see it come to light.

Fucking lawyers, man.