White self-hatred.... it's impact on mixed race people and families?

[Jayson1]

Here is one way I also see a difference in racism.

I think a alot of white racism is basically people growing up with negative sterotypes that have been around forever and then having people with power whether it is religion or politicians or IMO the worst which is the super rich basically stoke those feelings until people start to feel not just fear of someone who is different which I think might be in everyone just a little, part of the animal in us, but they stoke them into justfying the hatred and fear.

I think the opposite kind bigotry comes from factual human history and the present day injustices and especially personal experiences. When you got things like Slavery to Jim Crow to Police Abuse it's easy to see how anyone could find themselves giving into generaliations or sterotypes. If you have to deal with the fact that in any given day you might not just meet a racist but a violent one and you combine that fear of anyone different like mentioned above and you can understand why it might be hard to have blanket trust even if you know in your brain that it's not logical for all white people being bad.

Of course like TBonz said though her personal example what I said can't be 100% accurate because everyone is living a different life with different experiences that are kind of unique to them.


Jason

 

[Nakita Akita]

All of which in some way impinge on their ability to do their job, being transgender doesn't. On the contrary I'd say being openly transgender is a distinct sign of courage, an attribute generally valued in soldiers.

As for the cost of hormones? Seriously? The US military pays vastly more on viagra for sexual dysfunction seemingly without it being an issue, strangely here in the UK with our comparatively tiny military we seem to be able to accommodate transgender soldiers without it being an issue, we're grateful for their service rather than treating them as though we're somehow doing them a favour allowing them to put their lives on the line.

I don't specifically know if the USArmy/military supplies viagra or not.

And personally I don't have emotions one way or another with transgenders.
I sort of group the issue with someone with a physical or emotional issue not being accepted into the military. If they don't accept hard or hearing people I put that at the same level of transgender people. (For example)

 

[Spot261]

I don't have any problem with Trannsgender people, at all. I feel bad for them.

I suspect the feeling is mutual.

On that same vein I feel bad for people without legs, or that have /had cancer or lung disease or breathing issues or artritis.
But it doesn't mean they should be in the military. Often if a person presents with the above issues they are given a medical discharge. You can get treatment in the military( honestly though if you can Avoid that, it is usually in your best interest to do so)

Not having legs prevents you fighting. Being transgender does not. You need to provide a reason they shouldn't be in the military in order to make your case.

I just think that transgender issues should be dealt with in the same fashion. I believe that reassignment surgery would be considered elective surgery and I also believe that they must take medications to maintain their secondary sex characteristics.

I think you are fundamentally misunderstanding what being transgender is. Lots of people in the military take medication, why would this be singled out? Again, viagra?

 

[Spot261]

I don't specifically know if the USArmy/military supplies viagra or not.

Now you do

So how exactly does being deaf bear any equivalence to being transgender?

 

[DimesDan]

For the record I am a USARMY vet.
1987-1991. 76J10.

Again, why did you quote me? Given your viewpoints, I see reason why you should.

 

[Nakita Akita]

I suspect the feeling is mutual.



Not having legs prevents you fighting. Being transgender does not. You need to provide a reason they shouldn't be in the military in order to make your case.



I think you are fundamentally misunderstanding what being transgender is. Lots of people in the military take medication, why would this be singled out? Again, viagra?

There are a myriad of reasons that a person could be rejected from the military. I would suspect that the military prefers to have people that don't need special dispensations by which to receive medications on a regular basis.
As with most of society people in the age group 17-29 are not in need of medications for ongoing medical conditions.
These are the people the military want/accept.
Yes, there may be a 40+ year old man that
gets Viagra. But he does not need to have a special helo-evac to have the medication brought to him in a remote assignment.
what will happen to that woman who is unable to receive her testosterone for a couple of months?

 

[Spot261]

Again, why did you quote me? Given your viewpoints, I see reason why you should.

Preemptive strike. US military doctrine.

 

[Spot261]

There are a myriad of reasons that a person could be rejected from the military. I would suspect that the military prefers to have people that don't need special dispensations by which to receive medications on a regular basis.
As with most of society people in the age group 17-29 are not in need of medications for ongoing medical conditions.
These are the people the military want/accept.
Yes, there may be a 40+ year old man that
gets Viagra. But he does not need to have a special helo-evac to have the medication brought to him in a remote assignment.
what will happen to that woman who is unable to receive her testosterone for a couple of months?

Well, given that more viagra moves into warzones than hormones that's a bit of a silly argument isn't it?

Speaking of testosterone, how do they get all the anabolic steroids in and out?

 

[DimesDan]

Preemptive strike. US military doctrine.

Reminds me of John Simpson, a Warthog and a trigger happy American pilot.

 

[Spot261]

Reminds me of John Simpson, a Warthog and a trigger happy American pilot.

Get some!

 

[Nakita Akita]

Again, why did you quote me? Given your viewpoints, I see reason why you should.

I quoted you because that is what the 'reply' button does automatically.

 

[Nakita Akita]

Okay, thank you and have a nice day.

 

[Spot261]

Can't help but wonder about your feelings on women in the military, all those sanitary products....

 

[DimesDan]

Get some!

I met him once, he's a great guy, not as big a national institution that is David Attenborough. - Two really old white guys who are very progressive and forward thinking.

I quoted you because that is what the 'reply' button does automatically.

No it doesn't, there are two other steps that occur after you hit quote and it populates and then you reply, and that's not including typing a reply.

 

[Nakita Akita]

Can't help but wonder about your feelings on women in the military, all those sanitary products....

The army didn't supply sanitary products.
People had to go to the PX to purchase those.

 

[Nakita Akita]

I met him once, he's a great guy, not as big a national institution that is David Attenborough. - Two really old white guys who are very progressive and forward thinking.



No it doesn't, there are two other steps that occur before you hit quote it populates and then you reply, and that's not including typing a reply.

Correction:
Previously I had accidentally hit the reply button on one of you posts and the automatic quote function had your quote there when I posted later.
As far as I can tell.
Sorry that I am not perfect.
It must be s heavy burden for you to bear.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

What part of don't derail the thread by engaging with his sidetrack did you all not understand? It's become a pretty common tactic around here (especially in the DSC forum) to throw out transphobic comments in the hopes of drawing understandable rebuttal posts until the entire discussion devolves into slurs and insults and has to be closed. Don't do that with this thread which has been previously civil.

 

[Spot261]

The army didn't supply sanitary products.
People had to go to the PX to purchase those.

So, they had to be flown in?

What we end up with is those meds cost less than the viagra already being supplied and take up less space than either it or female sanitary products....really a reason to discriminate against people who are opting to serve their country?

 

[DimesDan]

Correction:
Previously I had accidentally hit the reply button on one of you posts and the automatic quote function had your quote there when I posted later.
As far as I can tell.
Sorry that I am not perfect.
It must be s heavy burden for you to bear.

Don't worry about it, no one is perfect, as this thread has demonstrated.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

I don't have any problem with Trannsgender people, at all. I feel bad for them.
I think it must be sad or frustrating to spend your life feeling like you're in the wrong body.
On that same vein I feel bad for people without legs, or that have /had cancer or lung disease or breathing issues or artritis.
But it doesn't mean they should be in the military. Often if a person presents with the above issues they are given a medical discharge. You can get treatment in the military( honestly though if you can Avoid that, it is usually in your best interest to do so)
I just think that transgender issues should be dealt with in the same fashion. I believe that reassignment surgery would be considered elective surgery and I also believe that they must take medications to maintain their secondary sex characteristics.
The military will perform some surgeries to correct an injury, like say if a person got shot through the face and lost his/her nose.
They came into the service with a nose, they get to leave with a nose. (For example)
But, say I wanted to go from an A cup to a D cup, the Army would not pay for that. But if I was someplace and got shot, removing my A cup, the Army may try to give me surgery to restore my A cup.
From my perspective medical care for a transgender reassignment and maintenance should not be paid for by the military.

I never said that there was any issue with block people. Not sure where that idea came from.

It must be s heavy burden for you to bear.

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