That I understand. What I don't understand is how these different choices are going to decide which trilogy is the better one, considering there is no such thing as "better" when it comes to art and entertainment.
Poll Which Trilogy Did Better?
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That I understand. What I don't understand is how these different choices are going to decide which trilogy is the better one, considering there is no such thing as "better" when it comes to art and entertainment.
Since "better" is subjective, others can decide what they might have enjoyed better than what was presented on screen. I know many people who would prefer TFA had been done differently. Are they not allowed to explore other possibilities that would make it, in their eyes, "better?"
Likewise, I think the PT could have been done "better." Others share similar opinions. So, it's an exploration of points of view, not a values judgement.
Probably because in context is was unnecessary given the back and forth of the conversions. Seeing as the only subject matter that seems to be offending people is the PT. Be it the ones knocking it or the ones defending it, the amount of offense seems to be a constant battle while the OT is not even part of the poll of this thread and the ST only has one finished film.
Therefore this thread is only really about the PT, because it is the only finished material the poll covers (which I think it too hasty and potentially trollish in nature to even have a poll like this exist since it only covers one complete trilogy, an incomplete trilogy ,and leaves out the original trilogy altogether.)
Because I'm skeptical that those things I think will be heard. Honestly, this has a circular logic to it that I keep hearing of "I think TFA is the worst film in Star Wars" and that "The PT is no worse than the OT" but no specific examples given.
So, I honestly have no idea what bench mark is being used to evaluate "better" so I stick with my own viewings, research, and other opinions I have heard, and that is The PT suffers from poor characterization, and a lack of compelling people to identify with. The OT has its shortcomings (Luke's Jedi training, ridiculous Ewoks, rather unnecessary first third of ROTJ) but its the characters that draws me in. Characters make or break a story for me.
Where is your sense of adventure?
It's 1:33 am...........I'm just up to watch GoT live.........I may be a tad grumpy.Where is your sense of adventure?
I'd be grumpy too. Stupid GoT cutting in to my Wimbledon time!
OK I know the new who Doctor is........GoT has been watched. 3am and I'm grabbing a nap!
When STAR WARS has started resorting to employing CGI puppets of Princess Leia and regurgitating A New Hope, practically in its entirety ... I can't, in good conscience, vote for the Sequel Trilogy.
The Prequels are the better offering.
The Prequels are the better offering.
The second objection I get, even if I don't agree, but the CGI puppet was in RO, so not sure how that impacts the Sequel Trilogy
Quite so ... It's just me saying that the whole return of the STAR WARS kind of sucks ass, really.
It was for like 5 seconds.
I don't see the problem with it.
Tarkin I can understand, but I liked him.
I didn't care for the CGI use of both Tarkin and Leia. If Genevieve O'Reilly can portray both a younger and older Mon Mothma, despite not being the actress who had originated the role, why couldn't Edwards or Disney hire flesh and blood actors for Tarkin and Leia, without the CGI effects?
I have encountered plenty of comments from STAR WARS fans who do love both the PT and the OT, but do not care for "TFA". I've also encountered plenty of comments from STAR WARS fans who simply love the OT. And I've encountered comments from fans who love the OT and "TFA". I've also encountered comments from fans who simply love the PT. I've encountered it all. Perhaps you haven't, but I have.
And what exactly do you mean about "no specific examples given"? What specific examples? What do you demand? A detailed explanation on why someone would love the 1977-2005 films, but not "TFA"? Considering the vast number of comments I have encountered in which someone has declared his or her dislike of the PT, the OT or "TFA" without bothering to explain why, I see no reason why any "specific examples" should be given.
I have encountered plenty of comments from STAR WARS fans who do love both the PT and the OT, but do not care for "TFA". I've also encountered plenty of comments from STAR WARS fans who simply love the OT. And I've encountered comments from fans who love the OT and "TFA". I've also encountered comments from fans who simply love the PT. I've encountered it all. Perhaps you haven't, but I have.
And what exactly do you mean about "no specific examples given"? What specific examples? What do you demand? A detailed explanation on why someone would love the 1977-2005 films, but not "TFA"? Considering the vast number of comments I have encountered in which someone has declared his or her dislike of the PT, the OT or "TFA" without bothering to explain why, I see no reason why any "specific examples" should be given.
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If it doesn't bother you, or you even like it, then that's great. Personally, I found it to be tasteless and even absurd; maybe I'm just used to a different standard in entertainment. Besides, I'm sure that there are plenty of Carrie Fisher look-alikes out there who'd just LOVE to be in the movies, even if it's to stand in for 5 seconds, as a STAR WARS prop.
If Carrie Fisher thought it was cool, that's great. I see it from ... a different perspective.
I think the reasoning for using the CGi Tarkin and Leia was that these events take place quite literally hours before we see then again in the original film. They should look basically the same as they did in 1977, or as close as possible. With Mon Mothma, her character wasn't introduced until Return of the Jedi, which takes place four years after these events. So she didn't have to look picture perfect, plus Genevieve O'Reilly, who played the younger version of the character still has a strong resemblance to the character 12 years later. Wayne Pygram unfortunately does not anymore resemble Tarkin without a lot of makeup.
This isn't a 1960s BBC production or a theater production were you can just get a different actor every week to play the same character as a matter of course. This is a multi-billion dollar film franchise that is functionally trying to make all its continuity work both in the storytelling and in the visual appearance of the universe. With the use of alternative shots from Red Leader and Gold Leader, as well as the CGi Tarkin, they went all out to make Rogue One as close to Star Wars as they could using today's technology. We will see how they handle Han Solo and Lando next year to see if they can break the mold that has been cast.
But, Rogue One and the Han Solo movies are not any of the three trilogies, nor do we have even the second film of the sequel trilogy out yet to judge. We are still four months away from The Last Jedi's release and Episode IX is still in the writing and preproduction stage. And for The Last Jedi....they have the real Carrie Fisher.
This isn't a 1960s BBC production or a theater production were you can just get a different actor every week to play the same character as a matter of course. This is a multi-billion dollar film franchise that is functionally trying to make all its continuity work both in the storytelling and in the visual appearance of the universe. With the use of alternative shots from Red Leader and Gold Leader, as well as the CGi Tarkin, they went all out to make Rogue One as close to Star Wars as they could using today's technology. We will see how they handle Han Solo and Lando next year to see if they can break the mold that has been cast.
But, Rogue One and the Han Solo movies are not any of the three trilogies, nor do we have even the second film of the sequel trilogy out yet to judge. We are still four months away from The Last Jedi's release and Episode IX is still in the writing and preproduction stage. And for The Last Jedi....they have the real Carrie Fisher.