Love the sentiment behind your post, but (in reference to your sig) why mistrust a Vulcan? They are incapable of lying.
Which species from Trek do you most identify with?
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Vulcans are perfectly capable of lying, provided there is a logical reason for why the lie is needed. Spock has told the occasional lie, and Tuvok was on an undercover mission when Voyager began.
Correct. Vulcans are able to justify this because they deem it both logical and necessary to follow the orders of a superior officer.
--Sran
Understood. So, if you are not an enemy of the Vulcan's superior officer, you can easily trust him. Otherwise, you might not be able to confidently trust the green-blooded. But why "NEVER trust a Vulcan"? Rather, only mistrust a Vulcan when his superior's interests are at odds with your own.
Pretty much this. Well, I wasn't born yet when the original series was first on, but other than that... I've been called cold and unemotional, and on another message board people used to call me "Spock" (without even knowing I watched Star Trek) because of this tendency.I've identified with Vulcans ever since the original Trek was on NBC back in the '60s. I tend to be reserved and aloof, and I don't like to show emotion. I can also be a pedantic asshole sometimes.
I was born that way.
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Primarily Vulcans, for a variety of reasons both good and bad. I (like to think I'm) fairly logical and dispassionate when reasoning (good), but I'm also (mildly) deficient socially - I don't often initiate social interactions and occasionally miss social cues, though less than I used to.
I don't know that I'd call Vulcans socially deficient. They simply manifest social graces differently than most. Only human arrogance would suggest that a behavior different from their own is somehow less socially acceptable.
--Sran
Vulcan has its own kind of social etiquette. I wouldn't call Vulcans deficient in that area - they can clearly even interact with Humans quite well. They wouldn't call Humans socially deficient, so the reverse is definitely not true.
That being said, one specific Vulcan - Captain Solok from DS9 - WAS definitely deficient in that area. He was, in fact, deficient in the area of "not being an egotistical jackass".
Totally. Solok's motives for constantly baiting Sisko weren't logical. Why waste so much time trying to prove something if you already believe it's true? Solok strikes me as the type who kept trying to convince everyone else of his ideas and beliefs because he actually needed to convince himself.
--Sran
Oh, sure. I didn't mean to imply otherwise, just that said manifestation was easy for me to identify with during my formative years.
I understand. Everyone goes through an adjustment period of sorts during life, though it's different for each of us.
--Sran
So Vulcans are capable of being neurotic! Of course, I suppose by human standards all Vulcans are a bit neurotic.
Vulcans are bad at socially interacting with humans, but humans are equally bad at socially interacting with Vulcans. Put a human on a majority Vulcan ship, the human is the social outcast.
Vulcans have a certain dismissiveness of sentimental concerns that is easy to perceive as arrogance and callousness, but it's just a desire to judge actions on the basis of consequence.
Vulcans have a certain dismissiveness of sentimental concerns that is easy to perceive as arrogance and callousness, but it's just a desire to judge actions on the basis of consequence.
I can probably identify with the Cardassians the most. They value order and stability and a sense of duty to the state, and so do I.
Of course I would never support something like the occupation of Bajor - that was a horrible thing. But then again, not all Cardassians were in favor of that, either.
Of course I would never support something like the occupation of Bajor - that was a horrible thing. But then again, not all Cardassians were in favor of that, either.
I'm switching my answer to half Human, half Romulan. The Romulan analytical view of things, seeing both sides of a coin sums my mindset, though replace the arrogance with Human strive.
The Next Gen new wave Romulans from "Unification" with the compassionate/content side of Next Gens "Birthright".
The Next Gen new wave Romulans from "Unification" with the compassionate/content side of Next Gens "Birthright".
This may sound strange, but I can identify with most any of the alien races. When I am watching an episode or an arc, I like to put myself into the shoes of the race(s) at hand. It's fun!
Does that include their judicial system? Aside from their treatment of planets they occupy, they also think the appearance of crime having consequence is more important than punishing the right man.
I'm all for order and stability so long as all citizens are able to benefit from that order and stability equally, and I think the state's loyalty to the citizens is more important than the other way around.
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