Which part of Back the to Future Sucks?
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None of the BTTF films actually "suck." However, if you're looking for a weak link, from a technical standpoint, it's #2. The film is just far too scattershot in its approach to really work as a cohesive story. #3 is more obscure and esoteric, but it's actually a much more streamlined and coherent story than #2. Though, by comparison, neither 2 or 3 are in the same ballpark as #1. The original BTTF is about as close to Hollywood perfection as you can get. That isn't to say that I didn't like #2 or #3 ... but the sequels just weren't on the same level.
III works so well because it is pretty much a re-telling of the first film. This time, however, it's Doc who falls in love, instead of Marty, who has to act as the voice of reason and guidance. In that sense it's classic storytelling, turning an idea on its head from an earlier instalment. There are MANY subtleties in the third film that casual viewers have probably missed, thus lowering their opinion of it.
It is a really good story and a very good film and a wonderful way to wrap up a great trilogy.
It is a really good story and a very good film and a wonderful way to wrap up a great trilogy.
I loved the first one. I liked the sequels, but as others have said, they are not really in the same league. Instead of being as original as the first film, the sequels turned too many of the jokes from the first one into running gags. Also, the the third movie featured some relentlessly cheesy dialogue in the final act. Still, all of the movies are fun for me.
That's something that I disliked about it. I prefer sequels that continue the original story, or tell a new story with the same characters, but not sequels that repeat the same story, even if it is with a twist.
You know what lowers my opinion of the third film? The notion that a guy smart enough to invent and build a time machine would actually test whether a dozen horses could pull a car at 88 mph.
I really like the Doc/Clara love story, but the occasionally moronic Doc of Part III was not quite the slightly mad genius of Parts I and II.
I love the entire trilogy with III being my favorite. I use to not like II very much but the last time I watched the trilogy, I found myself enjoying it a lot more.
Hmm, I never took the "horse pulling the delorian" scene as Doc actually trying to make it work. I think they hooked up the horses to get the delorian back to town and then, as Doc says (in that very scene), "It's no use Marty, even the fastest horse in the world can't run faster than 35/40 miles an hour." To me that 'proves' that Doc is just proving to Marty that it won't work. It's not until they get back to the lab that Doc actually starts working on solutions.
I like them all, while as the 2nd one is sort of the weak link. But considering it was never intended as a trilogy to start with it's an incredibly solid trilogy.
Yeah that's what I was gonna say, Doc never ever was going to try dragging the car with horses.
"All three of those movies kicked more ass than your parents did struggling to bring you into this world."
That's what a friend of mine (drunk) said to someone else at one of the Anime conventions I staff at.
I'm not entirely sure what it means, but I like to keep that response around.
In other words I love all three movies.
That's what a friend of mine (drunk) said to someone else at one of the Anime conventions I staff at.
I'm not entirely sure what it means, but I like to keep that response around.
In other words I love all three movies.
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They didn't need to make the sequels.
I've seen part 2, but never all at once. (It's major contribution to pop culture is that retarded rumor some people still believe about the hover boards being real.)
I couldn't get into part 3.
I've seen part 2, but never all at once. (It's major contribution to pop culture is that retarded rumor some people still believe about the hover boards being real.)
I couldn't get into part 3.
I love all three movies actually. The first is by far the best. Part II got a little too dark for my tastes and trying to get the almanac from Biff drags on a bit, but I really like the suspenseful ending. Part III is very good too and I do like westerns but the part when they're all on the train trying to get it up to 88 mph drags a bit. But I do like the overall ending which ties the franchise up nicely.
Part 2 is by far my favorite. It is the dark alternate present that really makes the movie.
I don't get all the hate for 2, I like it's view of the future, maybe it's a bit ott but it's fun. I think re-enacting bits from the first film in the various time periods shows time repeats itself, the only thing I relaly detest is the FX from the tunnel sequence in 2, the blue/green screen is far too obvious.
I think that one of the trilogy's strengths is its variety, while still making a cohesive whole. Just look at the variety of responses: There's those who don't like 2, those who don't like 3, those who like different parts of 2. And yet, the entire story fits together.
Toss me in as one who favors 3, then 1, then 2.
Toss me in as one who favors 3, then 1, then 2.
The depiction of 2015, for one thing. It was cartoonish, silly and completely unrealistic. It looked like somebody threw up My Little Pony.
I mean, come on...flying cars? Clothes that look like they were designed by very young, uncoordinated monkeys? The "Café 80's"? Gimme a break.
That was the point. It was suppose to be over the top and cartoonish. They took nearly every single cliche that "future movies" have and pushed it to the extreme for a comical effect.
The depiction of 2015, for one thing. It was cartoonish, silly and completely unrealistic. It looked like somebody threw up My Little Pony.
I mean, come on...flying cars? Clothes that look like they were designed by very young, uncoordinated monkeys? The "Café 80's"? Gimme a break.
That was the point. It was suppose to be over the top and cartoonish. They took nearly every single cliche that "future movies" have and pushed it to the extreme for a comical effect.
I don't particularly care why they did that. All that matters is that it's there, and really put me off the whole film.
Although I suppose this could be one of the things that Marty is meant to fix. Perhaps he becomes a community leader of some kind, and inspires people to create a *realistic* future, rather than one that looks like Willy Wonka on acid.
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None of them suck, but I like the third one the least. It's just too derivitative of the first, too much of trying to be a "western movie" take on the 1880s than a "realistic" one (though, granted, the 50s was a little too Normal Rockwell than real 1950s) and it had some silly moments I'm not just a big fan of (Doc carrying Clara off with the odd whiring of the Hoverboard is just plain goofy.)
But #3 is still pretty good. I really like 2's time travel part, though I wish the 2015 segments "mattered more" to the overall plot (other than being the source of the Almanac) and 2015 wasn't so "over-the-top" futuristic. Even in 1989 Zemeckis had to know this isn't what 2015 would be like.
RE: Broccoli, who seemed to have similar concerns as I did on 2015.
Well, first of all they were "trapped" into the hover-tech thing with the ending from Part 1, that's all fine with me. Hovercars, hover boards are fine. The Cafe 80s seems logical, I mean how many 1950s inspired restaurants are in driving distance of you? (Johnny Rocket's anyone?)
The colors, desgins of cars (other than the obviously redressed little european car) and clothing were all "OK." I just didn't like how over the top everything was, mostly in the characterizations of Griff and Marty's parents.
Though, some elements of 2015's potrayal seemed over the top like the dustbuster being a "quaint piece from the 1980s" because, you know, people in 2015 no longer need to vaccum up small messes, Jaws 20 (or whatever it was) and things here and there that just made 2015 seem like aq farce, and I believe Zemeckis is on record as saying that this was intentional.
I did like little pieces lie the flying cars/skyways still having traffic jams. (Zemeckis' way of saying that even with flying cars traffic would still be a problem as people wouldn't just be allowed to fly anywhere they want.)
Good sicence practice, actually, you find the possible by rulling out the impossible.
Besides, if Doc really thought that could work I don't think he and Marty would've been riding on the windshield of the car. The impression I got was that it was more Marty's idea to try and Doc was just kind-of humoring him.
I AM surprised Doc couldn't find a way to make and/or get a hold of a fuel that could work. Oil from a lantern? Or finding a way to get a hold of some gas considering that gasoline engines exsisted in 1885.
Oh, and and here's something else I didn't like about Part III:
"Marty, I'd really like to tell you what happens to you in the future that ruins your entire life, but I can't do that. We must all make decisions that effect our lives; everyone has to do the things they were meant to do. Well, everyone except for you kids."
But #3 is still pretty good. I really like 2's time travel part, though I wish the 2015 segments "mattered more" to the overall plot (other than being the source of the Almanac) and 2015 wasn't so "over-the-top" futuristic. Even in 1989 Zemeckis had to know this isn't what 2015 would be like.
RE: Broccoli, who seemed to have similar concerns as I did on 2015.
Well, first of all they were "trapped" into the hover-tech thing with the ending from Part 1, that's all fine with me. Hovercars, hover boards are fine. The Cafe 80s seems logical, I mean how many 1950s inspired restaurants are in driving distance of you? (Johnny Rocket's anyone?)
The colors, desgins of cars (other than the obviously redressed little european car) and clothing were all "OK." I just didn't like how over the top everything was, mostly in the characterizations of Griff and Marty's parents.
Though, some elements of 2015's potrayal seemed over the top like the dustbuster being a "quaint piece from the 1980s" because, you know, people in 2015 no longer need to vaccum up small messes, Jaws 20 (or whatever it was) and things here and there that just made 2015 seem like aq farce, and I believe Zemeckis is on record as saying that this was intentional.
I did like little pieces lie the flying cars/skyways still having traffic jams. (Zemeckis' way of saying that even with flying cars traffic would still be a problem as people wouldn't just be allowed to fly anywhere they want.)
Good sicence practice, actually, you find the possible by rulling out the impossible.
Besides, if Doc really thought that could work I don't think he and Marty would've been riding on the windshield of the car. The impression I got was that it was more Marty's idea to try and Doc was just kind-of humoring him.I AM surprised Doc couldn't find a way to make and/or get a hold of a fuel that could work. Oil from a lantern? Or finding a way to get a hold of some gas considering that gasoline engines exsisted in 1885.
Oh, and and here's something else I didn't like about Part III:
"Marty, I'd really like to tell you what happens to you in the future that ruins your entire life, but I can't do that. We must all make decisions that effect our lives; everyone has to do the things they were meant to do. Well, everyone except for you kids."
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