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Spoilers which old allies could we see on episode 9?

We know Leia won’t be in episode 9 though, not on screen anyway. They said they sent out the signal yet no one answered, no body cared enough to answer or couldn’t. I just don’t see how that is the ‘rebirth of the rebellion’ and even if people start to hear of the legend Luke Skywalker going against the first order by himself, it’ll take years to recruit enough people/worlds to come up against the First Order. So what happens in those years? The First Order will only get stronger under Kylo Ren.
The allies don't know that Leia won't be in Ep 9. As far as they're concerned, the last vestige of the resistance was cornered by vastly overwhelming forces. That's why they lost all hope, as Leia said. It wasn't that they didn't want to help. But then Luke showed up and the rebels escaped. The Rebellion had its hope renewed, the symbolism of their faces emerging into light when Rey moved the boulders being lost on you. The allies will have their hope renewed as well when they hear that there wasn't a final massacre. You think they need to recruit worlds to fight the First Order? How many worlds supported the Rebel Alliance in the fight against the Empire? It was a ragtag guerilla movement then and it will be again.
 
Except that didn’t happen. The opposite happened...

That's my biggest gripe with Episode VIII.

Here you have a kid who had to live a hard life on some crappy desert world just so he could grow up safely to be used as a tool to repair the damage to the galaxy that the Jedi let happen on their watch. To that end, they were even willing to lie to him about his father. Burden my ass, Yoda was just hoping that Luke would have successfully killed Vader before he figured it all out; And that's pretty shitty even for a Jedi. Can you imagine the burden Luke would have had to carry once he realized what he had done.

No. Instead Luke quickly forgave Yoda and Obi-Wan for their transgressions and found another way. A better way. His way. He saw that his father was in trouble. He had fallen in with a much more powerful Force user and was now completely in the grip of the Dark Side. Did he go in saber swinging? No, he came bearing something that the Jedi had long since forgotten about and Palpatine probably couldn't even conceive of: Love.

There's no such thing as a sure thing but Luke knew that deep down Vader loved him. That stuff on Bespin about ruling the galaxy as father and son wasn't just bullshit and if push came to shove, they were still family and there was no way that Anakin was going to stand there and watch his son be tortured to death right in front of him. If Palpatine had a weakness it's that he never had kids.

Jump ahead some thirty odd years, in the middle of the night. Luke has a premonition that his nephew will fall in with a much more powerful Force user and find himself completely in the grip of the Dark Side. So, for the fuck of fucking fuck, he decides the best course of action is to take one of the darker, more controversial pages from the Prequel Trilogy, go into the tent and chop up a child; His sister's child. And in the poorly written process, ironically becomes the cause of all the new damage to the galaxy.

Yeah, that must be the character growth everybody has been praising. A man so stupid he would make the exact same mistakes as the people who's mistakes he had to fix in the first place. That is why Rian Johnson did not, does not and never should belong anywhere near a Star Wars project. It boggles my mind that more people can't see this and when someone tries to dismiss my comments as wrong, it only emboldens me to speak up as one of the few voices of reason.
 
The allies don't know that Leia won't be in Ep 9. As far as they're concerned, the last vestige of the resistance was cornered by vastly overwhelming forces. That's why they lost all hope, as Leia said. It wasn't that they didn't want to help. But then Luke showed up and the rebels escaped. The Rebellion had its hope renewed, the symbolism of their faces emerging into light when Rey moved the boulders being lost on you. The allies will have their hope renewed as well when they hear that there wasn't a final massacre. You think they need to recruit worlds to fight the First Order? How many worlds supported the Rebel Alliance in the fight against the Empire? It was a ragtag guerilla movement then and it will be again.

All I know is it’ll take more than 9 guerillas to defeat an army. All I can go on is what we saw and heard on screen. There aren’t many rebels left, ok maybe no one could help, it’ll still take time to regroup and strengthen, all the while The First Order can act as it pleases, no one to challenge it, they can conquer and destroy what little hope there is left. The only hope we have is an unskilled Jedi without a working light saber.
 
That's my biggest gripe with Episode VIII.

Here you have a kid who had to live a hard life on some crappy desert world just so he could grow up safely to be used as a tool to repair the damage to the galaxy that the Jedi let happen on their watch. To that end, they were even willing to lie to him about his father. Burden my ass, Yoda was just hoping that Luke would have successfully killed Vader before he figured it all out; And that's pretty shitty even for a Jedi. Can you imagine the burden Luke would have had to carry once he realized what he had done.

No. Instead Luke quickly forgave Yoda and Obi-Wan for their transgressions and found another way. A better way. His way. He saw that his father was in trouble. He had fallen in with a much more powerful Force user and was now completely in the grip of the Dark Side. Did he go in saber swinging? No, he came bearing something that the Jedi had long since forgotten about and Palpatine probably couldn't even conceive of: Love.

There's no such thing as a sure thing but Luke knew that deep down Vader loved him. That stuff on Bespin about ruling the galaxy as father and son wasn't just bullshit and if push came to shove, they were still family and there was no way that Anakin was going to stand there and watch his son be tortured to death right in front of him. If Palpatine had a weakness it's that he never had kids.

Jump ahead some thirty odd years, in the middle of the night. Luke has a premonition that his nephew will fall in with a much more powerful Force user and find himself completely in the grip of the Dark Side. So, for the fuck of fucking fuck, he decides the best course of action is to take one of the darker, more controversial pages from the Prequel Trilogy, go into the tent and chop up a child; His sister's child. And in the poorly written process, ironically becomes the cause of all the new damage to the galaxy.

Yeah, that must be the character growth everybody has been praising. A man so stupid he would make the exact same mistakes as the people who's mistakes he had to fix in the first place. That is why Rian Johnson did not, does not and never should belong anywhere near a Star Wars project. It boggles my mind that more people can't see this and when someone tries to dismiss my comments as wrong, it only emboldens me to speak up as one of the few voices of reason.


Couldn’t agree more!
 
That isn't true at all, and the message of the movie was not to let go of the past completely.

Yet they continue to use the OT characters as little as possible, Chewbacca being used simply as comic relief (Porg BBQ scene) C-3PO and R2 getting as little as 2 minutes of screen time between both movies. 5 seconds of Luke in TFA and I haven’t counted but it felt like less than 10 minutes of screen time in TFA and was a completely different character. Leia hardly used in TFA and again was ‘in a coma’ for a lot of TLJ. Harrison Ford wanted to be killed off anyway so that doesn’t technically count.

To me their message is loud and clear. I get this new trilogy is about the new characters but to have such blatant disrespect for the oldies (what Star Wars was built on) doesn’t sit well with me.
 
Yet they continue to use the OT characters as little as possible, Chewbacca being used simply as comic relief (Porg BBQ scene) C-3PO and R2 getting as little as 2 minutes of screen time between both movies. 5 seconds of Luke in TFA and I haven’t counted but it felt like less than 10 minutes of screen time in TFA and was a completely different character. Leia hardly used in TFA and again was ‘in a coma’ for a lot of TLJ. Harrison Ford wanted to be killed off anyway so that doesn’t technically count.

Uh because the movies are not about them? They're not the main characters.

The new people are the focus.
 
Jump ahead some thirty odd years, in the middle of the night. Luke has a premonition that his nephew will fall in with a much more powerful Force user and find himself completely in the grip of the Dark Side. So, for the fuck of fucking fuck, he decides the best course of action is to take one of the darker, more controversial pages from the Prequel Trilogy, go into the tent and chop up a child; His sister's child. And in the poorly written process, ironically becomes the cause of all the new damage to the galaxy.
It wasn't a premonition. It was perception of the Force. He did not go in to kill Ben. If that was his intention, he wouldn't have wasted time searching around Ben's mind. He would have just walked in and killed him before Ben had a chance to wake up. Finally, he didn't cause everything. As he said, Snoke already had Ben in his control. One way or another, sooner or later, Ben was going to become Ren. Even without Luke's provocation, he probably would have gone on a killing spree and destroyed the new Jedi.

It boggles my mind that more people can't see this and when someone tries to dismiss my comments as wrong, it only emboldens me to speak up as one of the few voices of reason.
Somebody else believes himself a voice of reason, too. In fact, he just described himself as a "very stable genius." (What sane person does that?) Self-perception isn't always accurate. That you found the need to drop the F-bomb three times in one sentence is rather strong proof that you're anything but reasonable.
 
Uh because the movies are not about them? They're not the main characters.

The new people are the focus.

Did I not just say that at the end of my post? Lol

My point is Episode 1-6 are about the Skywalker saga, familiar characters throughout, then bam episode 7 comes along n introduces us to a complete new set of people that have nothing to do with the previous 6 episodes. Would it not have been better to call it something else entirely, like Star Wars: Reys Saga n not be a continuation of the previous 6 episodes. Just don’t do episode 7-9 just do your own episode 1.
 
Did I not just say that at the end of my post? Lol

My point is Episode 1-6 are about the Skywalker saga, familiar characters throughout, then bam episode 7 comes along n introduces us to a complete new set of people that have nothing to do with the previous 6 episodes. Would it not have been better to call it something else entirely, like Star Wars: Reys Saga n not be a continuation of the previous 6 episodes. Just don’t do episode 7-9 just do your own episode 1.

7-9 is still about the Skywalkers

Kylo is Skywalker
 
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