Spoilers which old allies could we see on episode 9?

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  1. EnsignRicky

    EnsignRicky Commodore Commodore

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    The Ewoks!!
    I'd like to see if those furry little bastards have transitioned into a bronze or iron age in the last thirty years, with all that Death Star tech and scrap.
    Or maybe they're just starting to rebuild their world after the near extinction level onslaught of raging forest fires and raining debris.
    The possibilities are endless at Disney.
     
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  2. Emh

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    I know you're joking, but I'm one of the few people who liked the Ewoks and I wouldn't mind seeing them again. The real question is if they've developed space travel capabilities in the last 30 years.
     
  3. Enterprise is Great

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    What if the Ewoks got together with the Porgs. Would they eat them?
     
  4. Ithekro

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    Who would out cute each other?
     
  5. Markonian

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    The Ewoks look like post-apocalyptic mutant bears. There’s nothing cute about them except their stature. That said, I’ve got nothing against them.

    Any rumors of Binks’s return?
     
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  7. Reverend

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    Apologies in advance for rambling on so much, but this is a bit of a complex question as the information is scattered in little tid-bits across various sources and most of it is more implicit than explicit, so open to a little interpretation.
    It's a bit complicated, but I think there's a number of factors involved in this sort of thing, from the sensitivity and training of the person being "visited", the intent and abilities of the consciousness making contact from the netherworld and even the location of the encounter.

    First off there seems to be varying stages of a "force ghost" manifesting, each more tangible than the last, and presumably the more tangible they are, the less force sensitivity a person would need to have to perceive them. Sometimes it's just a disembodied voice, sometimes a spectral projection and others a solid yet luminous manifestation.
    For example, in the Yoda/Dagobah arc on TCW we saw Yoda communicate with Qui-Gon, who claimed that he could not appear physically and it took a lot of doing on Yoda's part to make contact. In that instance, the key component seemed to be proximity to a nexus of the force (Dagobah in that case.) This seems to track with Qui-Gon's appearance on Mortis (which was visible, presumably because Mortis is a force nexus turned up to 11) and how Yoda was able to contact and appear in various forms to Ezra, Kanan and Ahsoka in the old temple on Lothal. It's been stated in various places that Jedi, Sith and presumably other force centric religions tend to build their temples on such sites, so that also tracks.

    Recently there was a short story where Qui-Gon appeared to Obi-Wan on Tatooine while waiting by the burnt out sandcrawler for Luke to come back. There are two interesting elements to this, firstly that this particular manifestation wasn't just an image, but a physical body (bones, blood and all) manifested out of thin air. Secondly it indicates that a consciousness can continue to learn while in the netherworld, since this is something Qui-Gon previously said he could not do.
    That last part seems odd considering that Qui-Gon also stated that he exists in a place where tome has no meaning. However, on Mortis there's this whole bit about how The Son showed Anakin his future (yes, his *actual* future as Vader) to convince him to join him and The Father freaks out saying he's broken the rules of time (or some-such.) From that we might take it that higher beings aren't supposed to bypass causality when they interact with the material plane. Which in this instance may translate to Qui-Gon's learning process only seeming to take place over the course of time when viewed from a fourth dimensional perspective.

    We see a similar progression with Obi-Wan's manifestations from the disembodied voice almost as soon as he "died", to the spectral image on Hoth that Han practically rode straight through, to the manifestation on Dagobah after Yoda's "death" that could move vines aside and sit down on a log. I don't think we've seen an example of it as of yet, but I suspect the latter can be seen by anyone because they're actually physically there in the material plane.

    As for how people become force ghosts to begin with: a lot of this is covered in that aforementioned Dagobah arc on TCW but the short version is that it's not really a Jedi thing, but something a being known only as the Force Priestess achieved a long ago. The Jedi may or may not have had this ability at some point in the distant past, but if so it's long been lost and forgotten. Qui-Gon began this training but did not complete it before his death, which is why it took him so long to return and why his body didn't disappear. He later contacted Yoda and sent him to the priestess who after determining his worthiness taught him to better commune with Qui-Gon and learn the secret himself.

    After that, as we saw in RotJ Yoda passed some of the knowledge on to Obi-Wan so that he could also train under Qui-Gon. It's not clear exactly what happened with Anakin but I think it's been implied in interviews that he had "help" from the other side (presumably from Qui-Gon, Kenobi & Yoda.) It's a fair assumption that the same is true here for Luke.
    Whether or not Rey could also potentially do this when she dies: it's an open question really. It's certainly possible given the precedent, but it depends where her story goes.
     
  8. Shawnster

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    Gungans would be old friends with enough tech to help. Mandalorians? But they are friends from the cartoons, so the casual movie only fans would needs brought up to speed. Mon Calimari? Quarren? They count as well, even if Akbar is gone.

    Yes, Lando is a perfect fit for the description of old friend.
     
  9. EnsignRicky

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    There's always a shot they may bring back many Bothans; In Rogue Two.

    And of course the Sand People will return. And in greater numbers.
     
  10. marillion

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    I would imagine that the EU, while no longer canon, could be mined for allies... It would please fans of the EU, and would negate the need to come up with all new races/species... Though I guess if they did go that route, it would bring up the debate of whether or not the EU is or isn't canon... I dunno...

    As far as Binks is concerned.. I would imagine that at this point, once the Republic fell, he returned home to Naboo and is probably the leader of his people now, if he didn't perish... I guess the case could be made that we heard his voice in the Naboo flyby at the end of RotJ, so my guess is that he survived... I would be a nice bookend to bring Naboo back into the story, especially given Leia's pedigree.. I wonder if it was ever revealed that she was Padme's child.... Naboo, while peaceful, does have a military and fighters...
     
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    Well, according to the new EU, you're half right.

    It's never said what he did during the Empire's reign, but after RotJ, we see him working in the streets of Naboo's capital as a clown. None of the adults will even look at him, knowing that he was a key figure in the rise of the Empire, so he performs antics for the children who don't know what he did.
     
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    Please don't give Lucas and Disney new ideas.
     
  13. marillion

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    Ahhh... I didn't think about that... He was complicit, if not almost responsible for Palpatine becoming chancellor, so I would imagine he'd be reviled for quite a while...
     
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    Then the Ewoks will come demand a piece of our action!
     
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  16. DarKush

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    Ahsoka Tano
    Darth Plagueis
    Bothans
    Mandalorians
    Bendu
    K'Krukh
     
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  18. Morpheus 02

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    By the way...I am not expecting these allies to have major roles...just enough to get fans excited... And really make episode 9 feel like the end of the whole saga we grew up with.

    And I am wondering not just from the movies and cartoons but even EU novels...even if the movie version of the connection is different than the original literary version
     
  19. EnsignRicky

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    No need. Episode 8 already feels like that.

    :devil:
     
  20. Tuskin38

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    Not at all, remember the Yoda scene.

    Mon Mothma is still alive, no clue if Dodonna is, there are no stories mentioning him set after ESB yet.