Which Lost Era are you most interested in?

[fireproof78]

Which was why there was no reason to link the show to TOS, since TOS is ridiculously dated. If it's already a visual reboot, and pretty much a continuity reboot as well, then what was the point of saying it's all the same?

Because "Star Trek." That's why. It always tries to have its cake and eat it too.

The thing is, the visual aspect really has nothing to do with the fundamental differences between TOS and DSC/SNW. They could build sets and models that are a complete carbon copy of TOS, but the show still isn't going to be in continuity with TOS because there are too many things about it that simply don't relate to today's society. But instead we get the lip service that 'it'll all fit together' when we all know that isn't true.

With due respect, because you and I don't see eye to eye, but this idea of continuity is one that I think hangs together if one is willing to recognize the differences in when the stories are told. That's actually closer to how history works when you study it, is that what we read and digest and understand is not 100% accurate, but filtered through the time, the age, the author, and so many other things. So, for me, it does all fit together...as well as the rest of human history and stories do as well.

Mileage will vary.

But anyway, rant over; we can get back on topic now.

Indeed. Personally, I selected the Pre-Cage era because I prefer the more frontier/age of sail style storytelling of that era, where things felt more wild and wooly. But, honestly, to your point it seems like exploring any lost eras is a complete and total lost cause, pun slightly intended. The only exception I see is the 25th century and going in to it like the Next Generation, largely disconnected from what came before, like TNG did with TOS. That would allow it to be of it's time and not trying to recreate past eras.

 

[Dukhat]

Because "Star Trek." That's why. It always tries to have its cake and eat it too.

I'm well aware of what CBS/Paramount/DSC/SNW showrunners think. And I think they're wrong.

With due respect, because you and I don't see eye to eye, but this idea of continuity is one that I think hangs together if one is willing to recognize the differences in when the stories are told. That's actually closer to how history works when you study it, is that what we read and digest and understand is not 100% accurate, but filtered through the time, the age, the author, and so many other things. So, for me, it does all fit together...as well as the rest of human history and stories do as well.

And yet this isn't history. It's fiction. And while we can say that because it's fiction, what we saw wasn't actually what happened, there has been 50 years of Star Trek continuity where it has been adhered to pretty much 90% of the time. And even other current productions still follow it. And yet there the Discoverse is, telling us it's all the same. Well, you're welcome to buy it, but I'm not.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

what was the point of saying it's all the same?

Because they can.

The simple fact is, it's not our place to say whether it's all the same timeline. If TPTB say it is, then it is, and there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it.

We are consumers, nothing more. Everyone is free to like or dislike as they see fit. It's simply not anyone's place to say what a show IS. Only those MAKING the show have that right.

 

[Dukhat]

Because they can.

The simple fact is, it's not our place to say whether it's all the same timeline. If TPTB say it is, then it is, and there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it.

We are consumers, nothing more. Everyone is free to like or dislike as they see fit. It's simply not anyone's place to say what a show IS. Only those MAKING the show have that right.

As I said above, I know what CBS's party line is. I choose not to follow it, because this is all fiction and I have a brain of my own and can make my own decisions regarding a TV show.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

As I said above, I know what CBS's party line is. I choose not to follow it

It's not your choice to make.

Customers don't make the rules.

 

[Dukhat]

It's not your choice to make.

Customers don't make the rules.

Maybe you're not hearing me. I DON'T CARE.

 

[Lord Garth]

I'm being reminded of one of the reasons why I left the DSC Forum and don't post in SNW.

 

[Vger23]

I'm being reminded of one of the reasons why I left the DSC Forum and don't post in SNW.

 

[fireproof78]

I'm well aware of what CBS/Paramount/DSC/SNW showrunners think. And I think they're wrong.

Which is fine. But, that doesn't change the history that Trek has tried to have it both ways, both tied down to real world history and yet change things as it sees fit.

And yet this isn't history. It's fiction. And while we can say that because it's fiction, what we saw wasn't actually what happened, there has been 50 years of Star Trek continuity where it has been adhered to pretty much 90% of the time. And even other current productions still follow it. And yet there the Discoverse is, telling us it's all the same. Well, you're welcome to buy it, but I'm not.

It's not a matter of buying it or not. They say it and I can accept it or modify my thinking accordingly. I've spent a few years studying history, doing a little bit of casual digging and finding that what is commonly accepted historical narrative doesn't always capture the whole reality of it. So, I don't take fiction as 100% literal truth because it, like history, is being told from a certain point of view. So, it's just another way of looking at this fictional world, and I'm OK with it because I can make it work because I think about it from a point of view that allows for that flexibility.

But, going back on topic a bit how would one approach the 25th century with this mindset? We have a Star Trek universe that was informed by 80s and 90s thinking, and interpretations of technology. So, the task of the writers now becomes to interpret this 90s Trek tech from a 2020's mindset while still remaining consistent with continuity. What is acceptable change then in that instance?

 

[Lord Garth]

But, going back on topic a bit how would one approach the 25th century with this mindset? We have a Star Trek universe that was informed by 80s and 90s thinking, and interpretations of technology. So, the task of the writers now becomes to interpret this 90s Trek tech from a 2020's mindset while still remaining consistent with continuity. What is acceptable change then in that instance?

We already know how. It's seen in Star Trek: Picard. They combined the look of DSC with the look of the TNG Movies. They've also thrown in some Star Trek Online for good measure. It's pretty cut-and-dried.

 

[fireproof78]

We already know how. It's seen in Star Trek: Picard. They combined the look of DSC with the look of the TNG Movies. They've also thrown in some Star Trek Online for good measure. It's pretty cut-and-dried.

Walked right into that one. Well played.

 

[ChallengerHK]

Maybe you're not hearing me. I DON'T CARE.

Pay no attention to the showrunners behind the curtain :-) I'm right there with you.

 

[Orphalesion]

I have voted a while ago, but since I have time now, I'll explain my choice.

I decided on the TUC-TNG era, since I think that one offers a lot of story potential with the Klingon Empire in its transitional stage, the immediate aftermath of TUC and I thinkt here's a lot of room to elaborate and add new lore, even if it is somewhat curtailed with eventually having to end up with the situation presented in TNG.
It would also allow a sci-fi revaluation of the 1989-2001 period in Western history, which is in many ways a fascinating period.

Plus, the Monster Maroons were a pretty nice uniform design and I wouldn't mind looking at those (or an updated version of those) for a whole show.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

I'm in the minority who voted for something post-PIC. There's more freedom for storytelling within a largely blank canvas.

 

[ChallengerHK]

I'm in the minority who voted for something post-PIC. There's more freedom for storytelling within a largely blank canvas.

In a sense I agree with this. The ultimate storytelling freedom, however, would be to drop the conceit of calling it Star Trek. At that point they have the freedom to create whatever characters and stories they want.

But then they wouldn't have that helpful built-in fanbase.

 

[Lord Garth]

I'm glad everyone got what I meant by Post-PIC. Technically any 25th Century series that replaces Picard would be Post-PIC, but I really mean anything beyond most of the Legacy Characters' lifetimes.

 

[fireproof78]

In a sense I agree with this. The ultimate storytelling freedom, however, would be to drop the conceit of calling it Star Trek. At that point they have the freedom to create whatever characters and stories they want.

The Next Next Generation!

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Early 25th century. I want to see "What happened next" after all the fallout of the Dominion War, the destruction of Romulus and what happens when the world is rebuilding with possibly a less idyllic viewpoint.

 

[Admiral Archer]

Of those choices, I'd vote Post TUC / Pre TNG

But if I'm being truly honest, the lost period I find most interesting to consider is the Post TMP / Pre TWOK one, where I'm certain that Kirk kept the ship & went on a new tour with it, before it got sent off to be used for training, & he gave up starship command yet again

Frankly, that second go-round for Kirk as the Enterprise captain had to be bloody legendary. Dammit to hell, I'd give anything to see that salty dog on those missions.

Hi, I'm Admiral Archer, and I approve this message.

 

[DirectorSloan]

I voted for the Post-Ent/Pre-TOS because I too would really like to see the Romulan War and the adventures of a young Federation’s StarFleet. I also kinda agree with a prior poster who said they were interested in the Post-TMP/Pre-TWOK era. If you really want to partially satisfy that, you may want to look at the run of Marvel comics from the late 1970s or early 1980s that take place during that period. Counting the first 3 issues that cover TMP there were a total of 18 issues. There was also a late 1990s Marvel limited series called The Untold Voyages.

To satisfy my Pre-TOS curiosity I also read Marvel’s The Early Voyages (which IIRC correctly didn’t get to finish the last story arc). Oh, well. It was still a fun read.