Oh dear lord please no not this film. If they want to do a project together, I've got a couple of ideas.....lol.
Which Green Lantern, and who should star?
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Oh dear lord please no not this film. If they want to do a project together, I've got a couple of ideas.....lol.
It was Kieth Giffens Justice league. It had to be Guy even if his personality was not conducive for a movie of the week... Oddly though on my vhs tape before it got eaten, there was an episode of Seinfeld on first, the one with the ice cream truck, but seeing George Costanza wandering about being an ass, kind of exactly put into context how bland they had made Guy Gardner... But he was still into Ice Maiden, and that's true to form.
Guy was a relatively normal person in the early 70s, for a high school Gym teacher, when he first showed up (I think it was a what if story.)but Guy went into a coma for some reason and had some brain damage (Don't even start me about the vuldarian retcon.) before he woke up in the early 80s well before he got that head wound from lobo which turned him into a fluffy puppy.
Guy was a relatively normal person in the early 70s, for a high school Gym teacher, when he first showed up (I think it was a what if story.)but Guy went into a coma for some reason and had some brain damage (Don't even start me about the vuldarian retcon.) before he woke up in the early 80s well before he got that head wound from lobo which turned him into a fluffy puppy.
Huh, you think you know a guy. I knew that GG started out as a jock until his career was cut short although I had no idea what he did afterward. I didn't know about the coma or the brain damage. Of course I also knew about what was done to him in the 80s with the whole macho Mr. America thing, and the whole Vuldarian thing... that's probably best forgotten. But I see your point about them trying to do JLI.
Well, obviously they were told no Batman, Superman or Wonder Woman. There is no way these people would be trusted with those characters. What did that leave them with? Aquaman's team in Detroit? Gypsie would have been cool, I love it that no matter how well her life is going she won't let people buy her shoes to wear... Though I adored how Giffen and DeMatias wrote the last four issues of volume one to anihilate the Justice league and then pound and ground the remnants so that he'd have a clean start with his reboot.
Though, is it really the JLI without Beetle and Booster?
Though, is it really the JLI without Beetle and Booster?
I almost said Jack Black as G'Nort.
Sure. But he's no Will Smith.
If Guy Gardner makes it into the movie, it's as comic relief. Which is, in fact, pretty much how he makes it into the comics on an ongoing basis.
Kyle Rayner would have to be Keanu Reeves, because he was Keanu Reeves, but Woah-boy is getting a little old for this kind of shit.
The Guardians are all CG clones of Armin Shimerman and Danny DeVito.
The latest GL comics seem to be putting to rest the absurd notion of "without fear" and replacing it with "able to put aside fear" which makes a bit more sense.
The movie: I find John Stewart the most interesting (followed by Gardner, Jordan and Rayner). Even so, Jordan makes the most sense. And putting how he is written in the comics to one side, his story on film would be the most interesting.
Yeah, it's a retcon that goes uncommented-upon in the stories - Abin Sur says to Jordan from the beginning "you have the ability to overcome great fear."
I particularly liked the "New Frontier" version of Jordan, BTW.
Poor silly Gypsie. At least she got to be on the JLU cartoon along with a lot of other neglected Leaguers. Even Blue Devil got a line! And Booster Gold got an episode all about him. But no Guy Gardener and no Blue Beetle. I've never understood why they didn't do either of them on the cartoon. That would have been awesome. Then, they could have broken up the JLU into the various 'squads.'
And no, it's not JLI without Beetle and Booster.
Agreed, I've always assumed 'without fear' meant 'able to overcome fear,' not like it was some psychological defect or anything.
And I loved 'New Frontier' overall, Hal in particular. Martian Manhunter as well.
Both Guy and Beetle, well, the new Beetle, have appeared i nt he new Batman: The Brave and the Bold.
I don't see that at all. Denzel Washington would be good, though.
I thought of that too, but I was also unsure about the accent.
No, it doesn't, because Egyptians aren't black. Africa isn't a monoracial continent -- on the contrary, it's the most ethnically diverse continent on Earth. "Black" ethnic types are from sub-Saharan Africa, not North Africa. Egyptians are their own distinct ethnic group, as should be expected from a people who lived in relative isolation in the Nile Valley since the Pleistocene and only infrequently intermingled with outsiders. They're more closely related to other North Africans such as the Berbers and to Near East populations like Arabs, Persians, etc. than to sub-Saharan "black" Africans (which is itself a blanket term encompassing dozens or hundreds of different ethnic groups).
Besides, aren't the modern Hawkman and Hawkgirl from Thanagar rather than Egypt? Of course, if that were so, they could be played by actors of any ethnicity.
Actually Guy Gardner does sort of appear in cameo in the Superman: TAS episode "In Brightest Day." The mugger who steals Jimmy Olsen's camera and gets smacked down by Kyle Rayner was modelled on Gardner.
On the DVD commentaries, Timm says they tried to use everyone DC allowed them to use, so maybe there were rights issues preventing those characters' use.
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What's funniest to me about that is that they basically took him back the 'classic' version, with Dr. Erdel, the John Jones persona and all, that they seem to have decided fans found too silly.
I knew most of this. My last boss was a white African.
My point was primarily that Hawkman and Hawkgirl are entangled in Egyptian mythos, and Egypt is a part of Africa even if it's not a part of sub-Saharan black Africa proper, so it makes some sense in that regard. Of course, there are those theories that say that Egypt was originally inhabited by black Africans before being overtaken, but I'm not sure how much stock to put in it. And correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the more 'northern' kingdom of Egypt consist largely of Nubian-types, or is that just a popular myth? (I slept through most of my African history class - the teacher was a jackass.)
My other point was...
This. I was thinking of the JLU Hawkman/Hawkgirl setup where they are (more or less) reincarnations of ancient astronauts who landed in Egypt.
Actually Guy Gardner does sort of appear in cameo in the Superman: TAS episode "In Brightest Day." The mugger who steals Jimmy Olsen's camera and gets smacked down by Kyle Rayner was modelled on Gardner.
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Huh. As it happens that's the only DCAU box set I don't have. I've always wished they'd ignored what was going on in the comics at the time and just made Kyle into Hal, since he more or less was anyway, but I'm sure that was a DC mandate.
I remember hearing something to that effect. I wonder why those characters would have been tied up in the courts? Maybe they just didn't like them. for some reason.
Well, the Bantu-speaking peoples who are the main "black" types Americans are familiar with only migrated across Africa in the Iron Age, much, much later than the Egyptians settled the Nile Valley.
Not northern -- the Upper Nile. It's to the south of the Lower Nile, which seems odd to us because of the European convention of making maps with north on top, but the southern Nile is literally the Upper Nile because it's higher in altitude (what with rivers running downhill and all).
And yes, Nubia is in the Upper Nile region. It was a separate kingdom from Egypt, although it was occasionally ruled by Egyptian dynasties and once conquered Egypt in return (the 25th Dynasty, I think).
Well, no, he was in Hal's costume and maybe looked kind of like Hal, but he was a young artist/cartoonist, not a test pilot.
Anyway, using Kyle made it easier for them to push him aside and establish John Stewart as the GL of Sector 2814 in JL/U, which was much cooler. (I only recently figured out how they justified it. Apparently rookie Kyle was sent to Katma Tui for training and then assigned to Oa, and Stewart was called in to replace the late Abin Sur as the sector GL.)
I don't think the courts had anything to do with it -- it was simply that when Timm asked DC if they could use these characters, DC said no for whatever reasons of their own. Lawyers were probably involved, but not judges or juries.
True, but Kyle basically got Hal's origin - Abin Sur's ring chose him after he crashed on Earth and he ended up fighting Sinestro.
I do like the way they rectonned John in, who is an awesome character unto himself as depicted on JL.
Ah, yes, of course. Well, it's not like the DCAU hadn't done composite characters before. Their Tim Drake Robin was basically Jason Todd by any other name. And their Dick Grayson Robin wore the costume designed for Tim in the comics.
What's neat is that the Green Lantern leitmotif used in JL/U is the same one used in "In Brightest Day" on S:TAS. I love that kind of musical continuity. It's weird that JL/U reused some character themes from earlier DCAU shows -- Superman, Batman, GL, Darkseid -- but not others -- Supergirl, Flash, Luthor, Joker. (Shirley Walker's Flash motif from the 1990 live-action show was heard twice in "Speed Demons," the S:TAS episode guest-starring the Flash.)
What I'd like to know about the DCAU continuity is, how did John Stewart become a Green Lantern? I'd assume that Abin Sur recruited him, but why? How did they meet? Was John an astronaut, or did Sur come to Earth for some reason?
I don't think he main stars matter so much, since you guys already posted lots great casting choices here
What matters is DC management and does this DC comic book get enough of WB's budget? Part of the trouble with Green Lantern is it's very comic book style and would need lots of time and fx to translate onto the big screen. I think Marvel is in a better position. I agree something they give us rubbish like Xmen-3 but overall I think they got better leverage, they can move studio to studio and now Marvel is even thing of setting up its own movie business. Green Lantern needs to push itself in this direction and become more independent otherwise it could end up the next Warnerbros Catwoman style flop
What matters is DC management and does this DC comic book get enough of WB's budget? Part of the trouble with Green Lantern is it's very comic book style and would need lots of time and fx to translate onto the big screen. I think Marvel is in a better position. I agree something they give us rubbish like Xmen-3 but overall I think they got better leverage, they can move studio to studio and now Marvel is even thing of setting up its own movie business. Green Lantern needs to push itself in this direction and become more independent otherwise it could end up the next Warnerbros Catwoman style flop
One thing about Warners is that they typically give their films lavish budgets. Even Catwoman had a very generous budget, far more than a Catwoman film should actually need (although the film looked cheaper than it actually was because it was so badly made).
Independence isn't a possibility here. This is a Warners film, period. The likelihood of a good, quality film is dependent on Warners making a good or bad decision in whom they hire to make the film. If they finalize the deal with Martin Campbell then Green Lantern should be roughly a million times better than Pitof's Catwoman. Of course good directors sometimes mess up and deliver substandard work, but at least the odds of a quality film are a lot higher with a talented director at the helm.
True enough. Although animated Tim wasn't quite the upstart punk Jason was, he was more of a good-kid-in-a-bad-situation sort of character, whereas Jason was, well, a punk. Personally I'm somewhat glad they combined the characters into animated Tim - I always hated the notion that Tim just deduced who Batman was after Todd's death and said, 'Hey, lemme be Robin!' And with Todd, well, you have the whole death to deal with.
Yeah, I've noticed that too. I like when they carry over those motifs because it puts you in the mood for the character, so to speak. I don't understand why they didn't carry over some of those, because it was Shirley Walker the whole time wasn't it?
You know, I've thought about this a lot trying to make sense of it. We know from 'Metamorphosis' that John was a Marine - I'm not sure if they normally get into NASA.
I like to think that Abin was the main Green Lantern of Sector 2814 and something happened to his first backup and he needed a new one and thus John was given a ring. Perhaps they met fighting a foe on Earth or maybe it was as simple as Abin commanding the ring to find the worthy person? Then, John was off somewhere during 'In Brightest Day,' perhaps still training with Katma, and when he came back, Kyle was sent off to Oa to train with Katma and ended up being assigned there for a while.
They may have addressed it in one of the tie-in comics but I haven't read those.
This is all it says about his background over at the DCAU wiki:
And the background info:
So that doesn't clear up much. I also recall Timm saying the reason his eyes glow green is due to 'fifteen years' of exposure to ring radiation, so minus ten years of training, he must have been a GL for five years prior to the start of the show, which fits with the first episode of Justice League being five years after the end of 'Superman:TAS.'
Kyle had one hell of a training course ahead of him. If my mental math is right, he'd probably been on Oa for up to seven years when we saw him in 'The Return.'
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