Forgive me if everyone is annoyed with this question again but I can't help my curiosity. Do you believe Star Trek canon has been replaced with a new timeline or do you believe that the movie takes place in an alternate reality separate from the prime universe? Personally, I think it's easiest to accept that this is another quantum universe similar to the events that took place in "Parallels". It gives a fascinating "what if" scenario and at the same time preserves the Star Trek we know and love.
Which do you accept: Alternate reality or canon is erased?
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They will never come out and say the old Canon is gone forever, for fear of the backlash from hardcore fans. Personally i think they should just do it, the whole Alternate Timeline thing is just patronizing anyway.
Personally i dont care if they do drop the old canon for the films, if they tell a decent story without it. As it is i dont think Star Trek did that, hopefully the sequel will.
Personally i dont care if they do drop the old canon for the films, if they tell a decent story without it. As it is i dont think Star Trek did that, hopefully the sequel will.
You left out a third option "I don't care; it doesn't effect my enjoyment of the movie either way"
No way has original canon been erased. People haven't watched Star Trek for 40 years only to be told it's all a joke and never happened. I think the movie makes it clear that this is an alternative timeline.
Besides, it's not like the concept is really new. Every Star Trek series has had "mirror" universe episodes, and TNG had at least one episode I can remember that was devoted to the idea of infinite parallel universes existing simultaneously.
Besides, it's not like the concept is really new. Every Star Trek series has had "mirror" universe episodes, and TNG had at least one episode I can remember that was devoted to the idea of infinite parallel universes existing simultaneously.
This is really a difference without a distinction.
It's clearly sign posted as an "Alternate Reality". But somehow that doesn't make me any happier. Only a new production within the old continuity can really do that.
Anyone from CBS Studios in the house? Feel free to cash in and do just that...
Anyone from CBS Studios in the house? Feel free to cash in and do just that...
No poll choice for "Don't care?"
I clearly forgot about it. I don't know how to edit it.
Some people have said that the original timeline is still there, but Nero and Spock have vanished from it by going back in time, and by changing the past they've created an offshoot timeline.
That makes no sense.
In the Trek universe, if you change the past, you've changed the past. (Haven't ANY of these people seen "City on the Edge of Forever"?!?!?)
Someone did suggest something, tho'...
What if the black hole that swallowed Nero and Spock didn't just send them back in time, but sent them into an alternate reality as well? (Something similar happened to a Constitution Class Starship in a two-parter on ENTERPRISE.)
This makes a little more sense, seeing as the tech on the Kelvin looks a little too good, and Kirk's mother was using a TOS style communicator, which supposedly wouldln't be used by Starfleet for another 20 years or so. (The ones in THE CAGE were VERY different from the TOS versions.)
I'm pretty much settled that this isn't an offshoot of the original (which wouldn't be possible, considering previous Trek stories), but is just a parallel universe...a whole new reality for us to play in.
As for Nero and Spock...
Maybe they're actually from this reality too, and they DID just go back in time. If that's the case, then "our" Spock is still safe back in the original Trek universe, working on Unification and living out his remaining years.
I hate to think of "our" Spock being trapped in the past of an altenate reality for the rest of his life, but on the other hand, it's a neat idea that he's made the transition with us and is still there as a connection to the original Trek universe.
That makes no sense.
In the Trek universe, if you change the past, you've changed the past. (Haven't ANY of these people seen "City on the Edge of Forever"?!?!?)
Someone did suggest something, tho'...
What if the black hole that swallowed Nero and Spock didn't just send them back in time, but sent them into an alternate reality as well? (Something similar happened to a Constitution Class Starship in a two-parter on ENTERPRISE.)
This makes a little more sense, seeing as the tech on the Kelvin looks a little too good, and Kirk's mother was using a TOS style communicator, which supposedly wouldln't be used by Starfleet for another 20 years or so. (The ones in THE CAGE were VERY different from the TOS versions.)
I'm pretty much settled that this isn't an offshoot of the original (which wouldn't be possible, considering previous Trek stories), but is just a parallel universe...a whole new reality for us to play in.
As for Nero and Spock...
Maybe they're actually from this reality too, and they DID just go back in time. If that's the case, then "our" Spock is still safe back in the original Trek universe, working on Unification and living out his remaining years.
I hate to think of "our" Spock being trapped in the past of an altenate reality for the rest of his life, but on the other hand, it's a neat idea that he's made the transition with us and is still there as a connection to the original Trek universe.
I agree. It's easier to accept an alternate universe.
It is a alternate reailty. Whether you choose to 'accept' that or not, is up to each person.
[RANT]STOP IT ALREADY!!! I'M ABOUT TO LOSE MY FRAKKING MIND WITH THESE THREADS. IF YOU'VE READ ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THE MOVIE, THIS IS DISCUSSED. [/END RANT]
And the rebooted universe will now always have us pausing, scratching our heads, and asking, "Is that how the Kirk or Spock in the other timeline would have acted?" We know that the Kirk & Spock in the Abramiverse are scarred and hardened by loss, i.e., Kirk losing his dad and Spock his planet. So we may now see a darker, more grittier trek. Perfect for DS9 fans!
I have no problem accepting an alternate timeline since I've watched Mobile Suit Gundam. Most people are overreacting of Canon/non-canon. When the only canon everyone follows is their own.
When logic is taken away by emotions, one alters their form making it look like another.
Trek has been stagnant in the years that have passed. If we unbound ourselves to what we only see, one sees different universes coming into reality. the number of possibilities is also the number of all the alternate timelines that exist.
When logic is taken away by emotions, one alters their form making it look like another.
Trek has been stagnant in the years that have passed. If we unbound ourselves to what we only see, one sees different universes coming into reality. the number of possibilities is also the number of all the alternate timelines that exist.
This would have got my vote.
Mine too.
Yes, I agree. I really enjoyed DS9 for that (and I was a fan of B5 for the same reasons). But you have to be careful with dark sagas. That's what actually killed Enterprise.
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