Where's the Second TARDIS?

[Veediotgamer]

I've been following the mysteries of Series 6 since they began and one thing never sat right with me... Where's the Future Doctor's TARDIS?

In the First Episode of Series 6 a Future Version of The Doctor calls Rory, Amy, River and his Past Self to America. The first three to witness his Death. At that point, Amy, River, and Rory all travel with "Past" Doctor and proceed on the events of the Series. But what happened to Future Doctor's TARDIS?

The fact that it's missing (or at least never revealed) says a couple of things to me;

First, The Doctor we've been watching during the second half of the Series is a Ganger with a Second TARDIS. Which means that The Ganger Doctor could be the one who is killed in the beginning.

Second, There are Two Doctors and Two TARDISes which could have been the cause of the TARDIS exploding which is still a mystery from the 5th Series. Although how, or why is still unknown.

This may be a bit far fetched, but it seems like a Big Oversight on the part of the writers if it were. This coupled with the "strange behavior" of The Doctor in the second half of the Series. The New Coat, The Apple, the seeming being content with how they ended the River plot. It would be unlike them to miss such a big incongruity.

Just a theory, really, but what do the lot of you think? Everyone's got their theories, so I wouldn't mind hearing your thoughts on mine. Do try not to be rude, but if you do not agree, why? What are your reasoning? And was the Second TARDIS theory already revealed? When, and where did I miss it?

 

[Veediotgamer]

Come to think of it... In the beginning of Series 6, when Amy and Rory recieve their letter, notice what kind of place they're in? It's not Amy's House from Series 5... Could it be the place The Doctor gave them?

 

[The Nth Doctor]

It's with The Master's TARDIS.

Come to think of it... In the beginning of Series 6, when Amy and Rory recieve their letter, notice what kind of place they're in? It's not Amy's House from Series 5... Could it be the place The Doctor gave them?

No, because the door and framing are different (this is talked about with photographic evidence in the review thread).

 

[Veediotgamer]

It's with The Master's TARDIS.

Come to think of it... In the beginning of Series 6, when Amy and Rory recieve their letter, notice what kind of place they're in? It's not Amy's House from Series 5... Could it be the place The Doctor gave them?

No, because the door and framing are different (this is talked about with photographic evidence in the review thread).

Ah, yes. I just put in the DVD. You're correct. The street looks similar, but the door and windows are all wrong. But it was a good idea. Would have been cool. Still haven't gotten the Second TARDIS thing worked out yet.

 

[Mr. Astley]

I doubt there is a second TARDIS. The Doctors double can use a Vortex Manipulator to travel in time. Or the original Doctor dropped him of.

This series has provided several options how there can be multiple Doctors.

- Plastic (The Pandorica Opens)
- Gangers (The Rebel Flesh)
- Teselecta (Let's Kill Hitler)
- Accelerated Time Stream (The Girl Who Waited)

Maybe there are more than two Doctors wandering about. If the Doctor wants to prevent his death, he could use all the help he can get.

 

[Veediotgamer]

A good point.

 

[Trubinator]

The ganger theory is a possibility, but it seems farfetched to me. Although based on the example given in "The Girl Who Waited" that there cannot be two Amys occupying the same space and time, one would assume the same applies to the Doctor. I've heard rumors that the season six finale takes place in an alternate timestream, so it's possible the Doctor's bizarre character traits play into that somehow ...

 

[ITL]

The ganger theory is a possibility, but it seems farfetched to me. Although based on the example given in "The Girl Who Waited" that there cannot be two Amys occupying the same space and time, one would assume the same applies to the Doctor.

Only if there's a paradox involved. Old!Amy could only exist if Amy wasn't rescued.

 

[Checkmate]

It was inside the Teselecta, at least up until his death at which point the real Doctor hopped in and zipped off to wait out the burning of "his" body and whatever else he needs to avoid until he shows up again.

They made a very big deal of showing that it could materialize inside and how it can mimic biological lifeforms to perfection, and they made a very little deal about the fate of the Teselecta at the end of that particular episode in much the same way they made a very little deal about the location or the TARDIS at the end of the premiere.

I have zero doubt about it.

 

[Mr. Astley]

It was inside the Teselecta, at least up until his death at which point the real Doctor hopped in and zipped off to wait out the burning of "his" body and whatever else he needs to avoid until he shows up again.

I never thought about that! It would be great to see his 'death'-scene from the lake from the perspective of the Doctor inside the Teselecta.

There is only one problem and that is the 'teaser' for the second half of the season the BBC showed right after 'A Good Man Goes To War'. In that teaser we see a skeleton arm with a sonic screwdriver on the bottom of the lake. That can't be the Teselecta or a ganger. But it is of course possible that isn't the Doctor or that the teaser is not cannon.

 

[Mitty]

Remember, in Let's Kill Hitler the Teselecta identified the TARDIS, but they didn't Identify it as belonging to the Doctor, they identified it as belong to Melody/River, a war criminal who killed the Doctor. My theory is that somehow River ends up with the TARDIS after the Doctors Death. Of course which River, and at which point in her time stream, is yet to be determined/revealed (if at all).

Remember, we really don't know what events various versions of River have yet to experience. eg, Had the River that Rory met in Prison (who had just been sang to by Stevie Wonder) already been to Demon's Run? Had she already experienced Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone? Had she done the Pandorica/Big Bang yet? I don't think anyone can definitively say what order any of these events have occurred in for River, though again this might get revealed later.

EDIT alternative theory: The TARDIS gets buried in a mine and Amy and Rory go to collect it and find the Doctor's body buried nearby.

Oh, wait, wrong franchise.

 

[The Wormhole]

Stolen by the Astronaut,

Spoiler: Astronaut's identity

who happens to be River.

 

[Veediotgamer]

It is highly possible that the second TARDIS is within the Teselecta, However it's not truly implied. At least, not as far as I noticed. Interesting though how it was registered with River when they scanned it though. And Ironic they didn't register The Doctor as any kind of War Criminal since he "killed" the Time Lords. But that's an other matter...

Still, the fate of The Doctor is something that I believe every Who Fan is looking forward to. I am not sure if any Who Mystery has had this much suspense attached to it.

 

[EyalM]

Interesting though how it was registered with River when they scanned it though.

The question of where's the other Tardis should also have accrued to Amy, Rory and especially River. The logical thing for River to do after the events of "Day of the Moon" is to go looking for the orphaned Tardis. If she found it, that would explain why it was registered with her.

 

[Tom]

Interesting though how it was registered with River when they scanned it though.

The question of where's the other Tardis should also have accrued to Amy, Rory and especially River. The logical thing for River to do after the events of "Day of the Moon" is to go looking for the orphaned Tardis. If she found it, that would explain why it was registered with her.

Right and who else left in the universe can fly the tardis? The Tardis is almost like River's godmother from a certain point of view, so she would be the most logical person to have the tardis after the Doctor dies.

 

[Skellington]

Who's to say that 1103's TARDIS hasn't been dismantled, destroyed or banished since 909's time? The Doctor knew what was in store for him, so perhaps he took precautions to ensure that it would never fall into the wrong hands. Also, he's had plenty of time to get that chameleon circuit working again, so maybe we've already seen it.

 

[23skidoo]

Actually my assumption is that the 1103 Doctor's TARDIS is just sitting in the middle of the desert somewhere, nothing more complex than that. Amy, Rory and River couldn't go and get it because they almost immediately ran into the 909 Doctor and they couldn't tell him his future. Then stuff happened. Presumably when we learn what really happened to 1103 (of course he didn't really die - the whole point of the season is for us to keep guessing how he gets out of that one) he and whomever will depart the scene in the TARDIS that was left behind.

Alternately River is quite capable of going and picking it up and parking the TARDIS somewhere safe. But also remember the Doctor's standing orders as given to Rose - just leave the TARDIS parked somewhere and let it die. With the perception filter and everything else, if the Doctor were to kick it forever, no better place than to leave the TARDIS to die than a desert.

Alex

 

[Checkmate]

That's totally the way he operates. Destroying the TARDIS or leaving it in the middle of a desert on Earth and instead opting to drive around in a station wagon or whatever it was. I think you guys nailed it.

 

[Veediotgamer]

The second TARDIS would have to eventually become the "Primary" TARDIS after the truth is revealed. It just works that way. In fact, again it goes back to The Silence. For all we know, Amy, River, and Rory probobly already found TARDIS-2 and completely forgot about it.

 

[Technobuilder]

You know... I'm starting to wonder if "1103's" death was in fact caused by "909+" in the spacesuit while "909" was in the diner getting a straw.

Wibbly Wobbly indeed.