Oh, there's an awful lot of TV that I've enjoyed for an hour and have no interest in watching twice. Nothing special about DW in that regard.
Where's Doctor's daughter, Jenny? Any idea where she is right now?
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this is true.
Pretty much.
Well, she may yet. 
True enough. Even in episodes I didn't care for there are at least some bits that brought a smile. A nice scene, or a funny comment from the Doctor.
Its probably impossible to find a tv show that didn't have at least one weak episode. The exception of course being Firefly.
Its probably impossible to find a tv show that didn't have at least one weak episode. The exception of course being Firefly.
There's also an Eighth Doctor novel adventure that deals with the Doctor adopting an orphaned alien girl (Miranda) that I felt was done much better than the instant-clone stuff-it was called Father Time. If they did adapt that though they'd probably have to do a two-parter, as the story spans decades.
I suppose they could adapt Jenny to the story, with the Doctor perhaps 'raising' Jenny on Earth with the TARDIS out of commision for some reason (In the novel, it was having a very long 'regeneration' after being nearly destroyed). After all, they did adapt Human Nature into both a Tennant story and also expanded on it a bit by tying it into the Master's arc.
Miranda, interestingly enough, had a short-lived comic series.
I suppose they could adapt Jenny to the story, with the Doctor perhaps 'raising' Jenny on Earth with the TARDIS out of commision for some reason (In the novel, it was having a very long 'regeneration' after being nearly destroyed). After all, they did adapt Human Nature into both a Tennant story and also expanded on it a bit by tying it into the Master's arc.
Miranda, interestingly enough, had a short-lived comic series.
Fear Her.
I adore Freema Agyeman and love Martha to death, so I'm going to have to disagree with you there. And if nothing else, her presence in the episode wrapped up Martha's only remaining character arc (her own love of travel in the TARDIS and her mourning its loss as a consequence of getting herself out of the Doctor's orbit after realizing he'll never love her).
My nickname for Martha is Martha the Strong because of all the hard stuff she had to take upon herself to do. She helped save the world.
She helped save the world. Donna helped save the entire universe.
Rose? Yeah, she just cost the Doctor two regenerations because of her own self-centeredness and stupidity.
I'm sure Ivonova won't mind sharing the Nickname
I liked the character Jenny. Sure, the story didn't come off real well, but, there's boatloads of possibilities with the character
Freema is a very talented, and certainly very beautiful actress, but there is only so far you can go when the material the writers give you is shit.
Martha suffered from "NOT ROSE! GOD, WE MISS ROSE!" fatigue. She was given very little in the way of personality and character beyond "loves the doctor". The actress did what she could. They don't write their lines or control their plots.
Martha was at her best in the Human Nature/Family Of Blood two-parter. Here she was given some better than usual scenes, and stuff for her to do.
I agree, her presence in The Doctor's Daughter is puzzling. Why make such a big deal out of "MARTHA IS BACK, WHISKED AWAY WITH THE DOCTOR if all you are going to do is instantly seperate her from him and film all her scenes with her and a fish-man? Again, the actress didn't write that sort of nonsense.
Her final cameo in The End Of Time pt. 2 was hackery at best and racist at worst. I'd love to see what Freema could do with a different character. I imagine her cast as Rose in "Rose/End of the World/Unquiet Dead" or Donna in "Runaway Bride/Partners In Crime/Fires of Pompei" and feel certain Martha's biggest problem was shit writing, not shit acting.
Let me ask this to those who blame the actress: if the scripts stayed the same, do you feel a different actress would have been able to make Martha a golden, memorable, lovable character ala Rose/Donna/Amy? What is it in the script about Martha you love so dearly that Freema was apparently screwing up?
Martha suffered from "NOT ROSE! GOD, WE MISS ROSE!" fatigue. She was given very little in the way of personality and character beyond "loves the doctor". The actress did what she could. They don't write their lines or control their plots.
Martha was at her best in the Human Nature/Family Of Blood two-parter. Here she was given some better than usual scenes, and stuff for her to do.
I agree, her presence in The Doctor's Daughter is puzzling. Why make such a big deal out of "MARTHA IS BACK, WHISKED AWAY WITH THE DOCTOR if all you are going to do is instantly seperate her from him and film all her scenes with her and a fish-man? Again, the actress didn't write that sort of nonsense.
Her final cameo in The End Of Time pt. 2 was hackery at best and racist at worst. I'd love to see what Freema could do with a different character. I imagine her cast as Rose in "Rose/End of the World/Unquiet Dead" or Donna in "Runaway Bride/Partners In Crime/Fires of Pompei" and feel certain Martha's biggest problem was shit writing, not shit acting.
Let me ask this to those who blame the actress: if the scripts stayed the same, do you feel a different actress would have been able to make Martha a golden, memorable, lovable character ala Rose/Donna/Amy? What is it in the script about Martha you love so dearly that Freema was apparently screwing up?
Martha being in The Doctor's Daughter smelt of "contractual obligation" to me.
Freema was given a lousy character arc (although she came good in the end who cared? It was like Rose's increasing arrogance in S2, ok so the payoff arrives, but by the time it did I was past caring about the character?)
I think a better actress than Freema could have handled the storyline better, not trying to heap all the blame on her because it was a terrible character to try and play when you're not the strongest actress in the world and you haven't got oodles of screen presense-Donna was better because Tate could stand her ground next to Tennant when he got hammy, Freema too often seemed overawed.
She did have her moments though, just not many of em!
i actually liked the fact Martha got away from Tom. she fell for a different Tom, a Tom from a timeline that doesn't exist and never existed. she should never have been on the verge of marrying him so quickly.
and what's racist about pairing her with Mickey?
and what's racist about pairing her with Mickey?
I am fairly sure Jenny can be reached by dialing 867-5309. 
As I think about a possible Jenny return, I'm left pondering how such a thing would be presented.
I'd rather she not came back as so much "another time lord" as simply the Doctor's wayward daughter and see how her relationship with him develops. Maybe we get to see her come into her own and once again fly off into the stars, perhaps humbled by some tragedy or lesson, but deciding to do her own thing nonetheless. Mind you, I have no problem with time lords being in the Moff era and played straight (more on that later), just not with Jenny.
Considering we're still not 100% on Jenny's genetic legacy, I think it best they let that aspect of her be understated and focus on the inevitably awkward (esp. for the Doctor) Father/Daughter aspects.
I'd rather she not came back as so much "another time lord" as simply the Doctor's wayward daughter and see how her relationship with him develops. Maybe we get to see her come into her own and once again fly off into the stars, perhaps humbled by some tragedy or lesson, but deciding to do her own thing nonetheless. Mind you, I have no problem with time lords being in the Moff era and played straight (more on that later), just not with Jenny.
Considering we're still not 100% on Jenny's genetic legacy, I think it best they let that aspect of her be understated and focus on the inevitably awkward (esp. for the Doctor) Father/Daughter aspects.
I guess its the notion that a black person can only end up with a black person. A bit simplistic but Martha/Mickey never made any sense, but that had nothing at all to do with ethnicity.
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