Where No Man/Woman/One/Broad/Dame/Skirt/Chick/Sombrero Has Gone Before

[Franklin]

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As this movie appears to be somewhat Spock-centric, I predict it will now be:

"Where no Vulcanian* has gone before"

* Spock will be referred to as Vulcanian in this film in order to adhere to canon.

See, that opens up a can of worms. On a ship with humans and aliens, exactly what does "no man" mean, anyway?
No male of any species?
No human being (which is grammatically correct, but can't apply to any alien)?

Maybe it should be, "To boldly go where no species on this ship has gone before." Of course, what if some on the ship have been "there" before? Maybe, "To boldly go where most of the species on this ship have not been before."

Also, if they ever make a movie out of Apollo 11's mission, I wonder if anything will be done with Armstrong's, "That's one small step for man...," line. Same problem, after all.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

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Maybe it should be, "To boldly go where no species on this ship has gone before." Of course, what if some on the ship have been "there" before? Maybe, "To boldly go where most of the species on this ship have not been before."

Both incredibly catchy!

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

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Also, if they ever make a movie out of Apollo 11's mission, I wonder if anything will be done with Armstrong's, "That's one small step for man...," line. Same problem, after all.

Nope. One actually happened a certain way; the other is fiction.

 

[ancient]

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Armstrong said: "That's one small step for a man..."

Yet another case of misquotes becoming more popular than the actual quote.

 

[Franklin]

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Armstrong said: "That's one small step for a man..."

Yet another case of misquotes becoming more popular than the actual quote.

Well, someone did test the recordings a couple of years ago and claims to have "found" the "a." But no one can validate those findings. Many are still unconvinced the word is there, and doubt the findings of this test. For years, Armstrong used to swear he said the "a," but over time he's even reconciled himself to having blown the line.

Here's a discussion of it:
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/onesmall.asp

 

[Carpe Occasio]

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Armstrong said: "That's one small step for a man..."

Yet another case of misquotes becoming more popular than the actual quote.

Armstrong intended to say "That's one small step for a man" but flubbed the line. He even paused after he said it, before saying "one giant leap for mankind," as if he knew he made a mistake. The supposed finding of the "a" in the recordings has never been played for anybody. I watched the moon landing in 1969, I remember hearing those words, hearing the pause. It's understandable that he would misspeak being the first man on the moon and all.

At the time of the mission, the world heard Neil say "That's one small step for man; one giant leap for mankind". As Andrew Chaikin details in A Man on the Moon, after the mission, Neil said that he had intended to say 'one small step for a man' and believed that he had done so. However, he also agreed that the 'a' didn't seem to be audible in the recordings. The important point is that the world had no problem understanding his meaning. However, over the decades, people interested in details of the mission - including your editor - have listened repeatedly to the recordings, without hearing any convincing evidence of the 'a'. In 2006, with a great deal of attendant media attention, journalist/ entrepreneur Peter Shann Ford claimed to have located the 'a' in the waveform of Neil's transmission. Subsequently, more rigorous analyses of the transmission were undertaken by a number of people, including some with professional experience with audio waveforms and, most importantly, audio spectrograms. As of October 2006, none of these analyses support Ford's conclusion.

http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11.step.html

 

[Gepard]

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So what's it going to be?

The original: "Where no man has gone before..."

TNG: "Where no one has gone before..."

Will it even be mentioned at all?

I was just reading the fine print (lawyer) over at the official site:

http://www.startrekmovie.com/

And it says:

Synopsis: From director J.J. Abrams (“Mission: Impossible III,” “Lost” and “Alias”) and screenwriters Roberto Orci & Alex Kurtzman (“TRANSFORMERS,” “MI: III”) comes a new vision of the greatest space adventure of all time, “Star Trek,” featuring a young, new crew venturing boldly where no man has gone before. (emphasis mine)

Of course, this could just be promotional material that will have no bearing on the final product.

Now personally, I don't really care. I think I'd prefer to stick with "man" just because that's the original quote, and the one most people associate with Star Trek. But, if they changed it to "one", I'd be fine with that.

A lot of textbooks are swinging the other way and using "she/her" as the default, instead of the old "he/him" default, when the gender in question could be either a man or a woman.

In that vein, what if we get "Where no woman has gone before"?, just to stick with the trend.

Again, it doesn't really matter to me. But I'm bored out of my mind and I'm wondering what others might think.

Thoughts?

Sam... you need to get out more.

 

[Tralah]

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I like "no one" better since it seems more inclusive for all species that might make up the Federation, not just humans which I would associate the word "man" with, but they'll probably go with "Where no man has gone before" since this is movie is honoring TOS. Either way is fine by me.

 

[Franklin]

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Armstrong said: "That's one small step for a man..."

Yet another case of misquotes becoming more popular than the actual quote.

Armstrong intended to say "That's one small step for a man" but flubbed the line. He even paused after he said it, before saying "one giant leap for mankind," as if he knew he made a mistake. The supposed finding of the "a" in the recordings has never been played for anybody. I watched the moon landing in 1969, I remember hearing those words, hearing the pause. It's understandable that he would misspeak being the first man on the moon and all.

At the time of the mission, the world heard Neil say "That's one small step for man; one giant leap for mankind". As Andrew Chaikin details in A Man on the Moon, after the mission, Neil said that he had intended to say 'one small step for a man' and believed that he had done so. However, he also agreed that the 'a' didn't seem to be audible in the recordings. The important point is that the world had no problem understanding his meaning. However, over the decades, people interested in details of the mission - including your editor - have listened repeatedly to the recordings, without hearing any convincing evidence of the 'a'. In 2006, with a great deal of attendant media attention, journalist/ entrepreneur Peter Shann Ford claimed to have located the 'a' in the waveform of Neil's transmission. Subsequently, more rigorous analyses of the transmission were undertaken by a number of people, including some with professional experience with audio waveforms and, most importantly, audio spectrograms. As of October 2006, none of these analyses support Ford's conclusion.

http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11.step.html

Of course, it could've been worse than a pause. It could've gone something like this as he stepped off the LM --
"That's one small step for man. Aw, shit! A man. I mean a man. Damn it! One giant leap for --. Aw, who cares now, anyway?" Imagine school kids learning that down through the years.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

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"That's one small step for a - Jesus Christ, look at that!"

 

[Carpe Occasio]

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[ancient]

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I'm pretty sure Armstrong still claims to have said the "ah" but that it was lost in the static.

 

[Carpe Occasio]

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I'm pretty sure Armstrong still claims to have said the "ah" but that it was lost in the static.

Yeah, he claims it, but in the article I quoted above it says "...he had intended to say 'one small step for a man' and believed that he had done so. However, he also agreed that the 'a' didn't seem to be audible in the recordings."

 

[ancient]

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It's one of those things that could go either way. The 'ah' sound is often hard to hear in normal conversation, much less through a mic with a grainy reception. I think his pause was to make sure he didn't flub the next part of the quote, not because he'd already screwed it up.

 

[Carpe Occasio]

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It's one of those things that could go either way. The 'ah' sound is often hard to hear in normal conversation, much less through a mic with a grainy reception. I think his pause was to make sure he didn't flub the next part of the quote, not because he'd already screwed it up.

I guess it's possible, but it's generally accepted that he said "one small step for man." NASA says that's what he said, and as the article above points out, they really can't find the "a" on the recording. But it was said 250,000 miles away using 1960's technology. Either way, we all know what he meant.

 

[asdf1]

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"Where others may have gone before, where some other species are sure to exist, but we're going to check it out anyway and say that no-one/man has ever ever been there before."

 

[Franklin]

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"That's one small step for a - Jesus Christ, look at that!"

Spit take!

You know, it occured to me that although it comes out in May, this movie coincides with the 40th anniversary of the Apollo 11 mission in July 2009. Kinda cool.

 

[ancient]

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It's one of those things that could go either way. The 'ah' sound is often hard to hear in normal conversation, much less through a mic with a grainy reception. I think his pause was to make sure he didn't flub the next part of the quote, not because he'd already screwed it up.

I guess it's possible, but it's generally accepted that he said "one small step for man." NASA says that's what he said, and as the article above points out, they really can't find the "a" on the recording. But it was said 250,000 miles away using 1960's technology. Either way, we all know what he meant.

I tend to belive the guy that actually said it. Once someone hears you wrong it can be really hard to unsell.

 

[Carpe Occasio]

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It's one of those things that could go either way. The 'ah' sound is often hard to hear in normal conversation, much less through a mic with a grainy reception. I think his pause was to make sure he didn't flub the next part of the quote, not because he'd already screwed it up.

I guess it's possible, but it's generally accepted that he said "one small step for man." NASA says that's what he said, and as the article above points out, they really can't find the "a" on the recording. But it was said 250,000 miles away using 1960's technology. Either way, we all know what he meant.

I tend to belive the guy that actually said it. Once someone hears you wrong it can be really hard to unsell.

Yeah, but the guy that said it is on tape and it's not there (even with 21st century enhancements).

 

[M'Sharak]

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"That's one small step for a - Jesus Christ, look at that!"

Spit take!

Even funnier if you hear Graham Chapman's King Arthur saying the italicized part.