Where is Sybok?

[Nerys Myk]

Since Spock didn't even tell his BFF of twentysomething years about Sybok until he had to, I seriously doubt the insane future Romulan miner-turned-worldkiller had a clue the 'bok even existed.

I doubt Spock told Nero anything about himself. Yet Nero was able to spot the Enterprise when it was just a speck on his viewer and knew Spock(2) was aboard.

That Nero just has a feel for those kinds of things...

Nero was a major K/S fanboy. Sucks when you find out your heroes have feet of clay.

 

[DonIago]

Spock wouldn't have to tell Nero anything. I'm sure Spock has an entry in the 24th Century version of Wikipedia that discusses the fact that he served on Enterprise.

 

[BillJ]

Spock wouldn't have to tell Nero anything. I'm sure Spock has an entry in the 24th Century version of Wikipedia that discusses the fact that he served on Enterprise.

I doubt he had time to access Wikipedia before going back in time...

SPOCK PRIME: (voice-over) I had little time. I had to extract the red matter, and shoot it into the supernova.
(he loads up a drop of red matter and it's shot into the star)

SPOCK PRIME: (voice-over) As I began my return trip, I was intercepted.

SPOCK PRIME: (voice-over) He called himself Nero. Last of the Romulan Empire.

SPOCK PRIME: (voice-over) In my attempt to escape, both of us were pulled into the black hole.

The film actually does little to connect Spock Prime and Nero together before the time travel incident.

 

[DonIago]

Even so, if Spock's even vaguely as legendary as Kirk in the 24th century the fact that he served on the Enterprise is probably common knowledge.

Additionally, Nero's ship would still have a 24th Century database, though granted I have no idea what that might have to say about Spock. It had holographic images of him as an ambassador though, which suggests more information would be available.

 

[BillJ]

Even so, if Spock's even vaguely as legendary as Kirk in the 24th century the fact that he served on the Enterprise is probably common knowledge.

Additionally, Nero's ship would still have a 24th Century database, though granted I have no idea what that might have to say about Spock. It had holographic images of him as an ambassador though, which suggests more information would be available.

Why would Kirk and Spock be legendary to the Romulans?

It's really why the story just doesn't hold together... you have to make to many "leaps of logic" to make it work. Why would Romulan miners have any knowledge of Starfleet officers who hadn't served for a century? The Romulan Empire has always been presented as a closed society akin to North Korea.

The holgraphic images are probably from the visual communication just prior to them entering the rift.

 

[Eld Phaedrus]

I once had a first editon of the Star Trek timeline the Okudas wrote back in the early 90s (whose timeline went up to the events of "Unification, Part I.") I remember reading something about TOS characters' birth years being those of the actors +300 or so. So, if Spock was born in 2230, Sybok (given Spock's revelation that Sybok is older than he) would have a birth date of 2223 at the latest (Sarek's last pon farr prior to fathering Spock.) Not like it'll matter much anyway. Even Data would boggle at the odds of Sybok showing up again.

 

[BillJ]

Even Data would boggle at the odds of Sybok showing up again.

The only thing that would be more insane would be Kirk and the same exact command crew getting together again on a ship named Enterprise... oh wait.

 

[Eld Phaedrus]

The only thing that would be more insane would be Kirk and the same exact command crew getting together again on a ship named Enterprise... oh wait.

With a little help from Spock Prime, who convinced his counterpart he'd be better off staying in Starfleet instead of resigning to go help rebuild Vulcan civilization. But, no matter what timeline, what is meant to be will be, eh?

 

[DonIago]

Even so, if Spock's even vaguely as legendary as Kirk in the 24th century the fact that he served on the Enterprise is probably common knowledge.

Additionally, Nero's ship would still have a 24th Century database, though granted I have no idea what that might have to say about Spock. It had holographic images of him as an ambassador though, which suggests more information would be available.

Why would Kirk and Spock be legendary to the Romulans?

It's really why the story just doesn't hold together... you have to make to many "leaps of logic" to make it work. Why would Romulan miners have any knowledge of Starfleet officers who hadn't served for a century? The Romulan Empire has always been presented as a closed society akin to North Korea.

The holgraphic images are probably from the visual communication just prior to them entering the rift.

(shrugs) Maybe Nero studied history in school?

I fail to see how this constitutes a "leap of logic", so much as a "nit-pick". Even in the 24th century Spock would be famous as an ambassador if not a Starfleet officer, and most likely he's famous for being both. The Enterprise is similarly famous. Where exactly is the leap?

Considering that Spock was also involved with helping the Romulans prior to things going awry, it would seem his basic bio would likely be reasonably easy to dig up to anyone who was even vaguely interested in the subject. Even miners, particularly ones who might have a vested interest in whether or not Spock's efforts were successful.

Frankly I don't see how the film spending time dealing with this alleged "leap of logic" would have improved its entertainment value to the majority of viewers, which IMO is sufficient grounds to deem it unnecessary.

 

[UFO]

I doubt he had time to access Wikipedia before going back in time...

Maybe there was a general history text on the Jellyfish? Might even come as standard with computer systems.

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SPOCK PRIME: (voice-over) He called himself Nero. Last of the Romulan Empire.

Thanks. I didn't pick up that "Last of the Romulan Empire" bit originally. Makes less sense than the 10,000 surviving Vulcans.

The Romulans don't have any colonies either (Vulcan seems fairly remiss in this department)? Why are they a threat with such limited industrial capacity?

No one else was off planet?

The film actually does little to connect Spock Prime and Nero together before the time travel incident.

Yes, makes it look like they didn't know each other beforehand. But obviously Nero must have at least known that someone called Spock was supposed to be saving his planet. Not sure exactly how. Maybe it was on the 6 o'clock news? If so, I'm surprised no one else decided to take their holidays a little early.

With a little help from Spock Prime, who convinced his counterpart he'd be better off staying in Starfleet instead of resigning to go help rebuild Vulcan civilization. But, no matter what timeline, what is meant to be will be, eh?

And Scotty being banished to DV, and Sulu and Chekov already assigned to the Enterprise. And the universe trying to repair itself. Who would have thought the official Star Trek religion is Pantheism!

 

[BillJ]

I fail to see how this constitutes a "leap of logic", so much as a "nit-pick". Even in the 24th century Spock would be famous as an ambassador if not a Starfleet officer, and most likely he's famous for being both. The Enterprise is similarly famous. Where exactly is the leap?

How many foreign ambassadors serving on U.S. soil can you name right now?

Still the question... why would Starfleet officers or the Enterprise be famous in the Romulan Empire?

We treat the known Star Trek universe like it's a small town where everyone knows everyone else instead of an entity where its' dealing with hundreds of planets spanning thousands of light years.

 

[Capt_Pickirk]

I fail to see how this constitutes a "leap of logic", so much as a "nit-pick". Even in the 24th century Spock would be famous as an ambassador if not a Starfleet officer, and most likely he's famous for being both. The Enterprise is similarly famous. Where exactly is the leap?

How many foreign ambassadors serving on U.S. soil can you name right now?

Still the question... why would Starfleet officers or the Enterprise be famous in the Romulan Empire?

We treat the known Star Trek universe like it's a small town where everyone knows everyone else instead of an entity where its' dealing with hundreds of planets spanning thousands of light years.

Dude, this is Star Trek. In their universe, Ambassadors are cool and EVERYONE knows of them. Also Nero knows about spock because the plot says so

Don't make me get the Austin powers video, because I will do it!

 

[F. King Daniel]

Nero says to Kirk, "I know your face from Earth's history", "James T. Kirk was a great man, he went on to captain the USS Enterprise" - that pretty much sums it what he knows and where he learned it.

IMO, Nero knows as much about Star Trek as the regular guy on the street. Who's Captain Kirk? Captain of the Enterprise. What's Spock known for? Being the Vulcan on the Enterprise crew. I'd guess that after saving the galaxy repeatedly they're pretty well known. Almost as well known as characters from a campy 60's TV show.

I will admit I went "Huh?" when Nero bragged about killing Kirk's dad, but since it'd been 25 years, and George Kirk had a memorial shipyard and bar built in the interim (complete with USS Kelvin salt shakers!), I can imagine Nero keeping up with alternate history and the changes ("...but that was another life!") he's wrought.

 

[Timo]

Yes, makes it look like they didn't know each other beforehand. But obviously Nero must have at least known that someone called Spock was supposed to be saving his planet.

I'm not sure I get this one. Spock apparently met Nero after failing to save the planet. Shortly thereafter, both Spock and Nero got sucked into the black hole in their respective ships, but there's nothing to tell what happened during that "shortly". Apparently, the two did discuss life, the universe and everything at some point - but we don't have to think it happened in 2258, after Nero captured Spock. Could have happened in 2387 or whatnot.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Set Harth]

I remember reading something about TOS characters' birth years being those of the actors +300 or so.

I heard the 300 figure in terms of calculating the year an episode takes place ( by our dating system ) from its real-time airdate. However, it should be noted that Okuda's timeline, in adhering to this rule ( which does not appear in the episodes or films themselves ), sometimes contradicts explicit information given in the episodes and films, such as the length of time between Space Seed and TWOK.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I fail to see how this constitutes a "leap of logic", so much as a "nit-pick". Even in the 24th century Spock would be famous as an ambassador if not a Starfleet officer, and most likely he's famous for being both. The Enterprise is similarly famous. Where exactly is the leap?

How many foreign ambassadors serving on U.S. soil can you name right now?

Still the question... why would Starfleet officers or the Enterprise be famous in the Romulan Empire?

We treat the known Star Trek universe like it's a small town where everyone knows everyone else instead of an entity where its' dealing with hundreds of planets spanning thousands of light years.

Spocks connection to Romulas is well established. The reunification of the Romulan and Vulcan peoples had defined the later half of his life. He's spent years, if not decades on Romulas working in pursuit of that goal. He's been initimately involved and interacted with numerous Romulans, no doubt influencing at least one generation of Romulans (Nero could even be one.)

The Empire isnt exactly North Korea. Its played many roles over the year. Pseudo-Roman and Pseudo-Nazi at first ( with a touch of genric-totalitarian) Though was supposed to be China to the Klingons USSR. Even in the "Enterprise Incident" it wasn't quite North Korea. Nero, being a space faring miner away from the controls of the homeworld could easily form an interest in a man like Kirk. And given the dialog heard, he did.

 

[Set Harth]

Romulus.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I screw that up all the time.

 

[Photoman15]

My opinion is that the writers are wrong, and their comments aren't canon until they appear as confirmed on screen, anyway. The timeline was not the same up until the Narada came through. The timeline changed due to the events of the Temporal Cold War as seen on Enterprise, and the new Trek movie flows out of those changes. There may be no Sam Kirk or Sybok, or they may be different from the way we knew them.

The Temporal Cold War was moot. Daniels told Archer, after he blew up the time portal in NY in Nazi America that the time line (and the Temporal Cold War) was being reset. Everything was as it should be.

 

[USS Triumphant]

The Temporal Cold War was moot. Daniels told Archer, after he blew up the time portal in NY in Nazi America that the time line (and the Temporal Cold War) was being reset. Everything was as it should be.

And Daniels seemed like a guy that knew what he was doing, right?

Seems to me that, at the least, he left a boatload of information in his quarters, and I'm afraid that Archer's promise to be a good boy and not peek wouldn't have applied to Section 31. Or really, anyone else with any damned sense.