Where does this sucess of the movie leave Picard, Data & the TNG?

[Dusty Ayres]

Think of how CREATIVE the old show was compared to ENT-and with popsicle sticks and gum basically. ENT had all this modern computer F/X equiptment at their disposal and what did they do? Not much.

There's no doubt that TOS is remarkable for how much it accomplished with so little. And by the time VOY and ENT were made, the franchise was stuck in blatant creative rut.

Only for you, and everybody else on this board-for me and many millions of others who don't spend a lot of time on the 'Net, not so much. Maybe you need to take some time away from TrekBBS,and go to a convention appearance of the TNG, DS9, & Voyager actors to really see how well-loved they, and the shows, still are.

Because of those later shows it is easy to forget how good and how much fun TNG and DS9 were in their day. Those shows were great Trek and great television. Later failures don't eclipse that, at least not to my mind.

I can agree with you on that.

Where does this sucess of the movie leave Picard, Data & the TNG?

Done. Kaput. Finito.

Only for trend-chasing people like you.

Man, this thread is pretty shocking. I never knew TNG et al. was so disliked lol

Not by me, and not by a lot of others, I'll bet. But those that didn't like TNG, DS9, and Voyager from day one now somehow feel vindicated-never mind that Gene Roddenberry created TNG, and would have probably also liked DS9 & Voyager, these people, like Warped9, can only like TOS and nothing else. Never also mind that Gene loved to go foward with Star Trek as well (that's why he created TNG in the first place, and Paramount agreed to go ahead with it.) As they say, 'Pride goeth before a fall'-let's hope that Abrams realizes that.

Picard should have appeared during Old Spock's mind meld with Kirk, just waving in the background as if to say "hey, I was cool too, don't forget about me!"

I wouldn't have minded seeing him myself, just looking on and helping Spock, and also passing on to Kirk some tempering and seasoning. Much like a Vulcan version of the Bene Gessirit Other Memory from the Dune trilogy.

Considering his central role in the Countdown comics it actually would have made some sense to show Picard during the Mind Meld where Spock was explaining Nero's motivations.

Same as my response to Falcor.

Man, this thread is pretty shocking. I never knew TNG et al. was so disliked lol

It's not disliked, really. But we recognize that it's finished. There's no reason keep a franchise going if there's something new and shiny to replace it.

TNG is done. DS9 is done. VOY is done. I loved all of them, but they're done. Let's leave them that way.

Tell that to the fans of the show who want a continuation of all three shows, and also tell that to the Next Generation cast, who still want to do another movie; also, tell that to Seth McFarland-he sure loved them enough to feature them on Family Guy.

Hmm but the thing is TOS was done too but now it is back! So I would not be surprised at all if someday we see some of the 24th century Trek characters again.

This is true, I suppose, but the point of this reboot was to take Trek back to its roots. That should be the point of any reboot.

Rebooting the TNG-era would just be silly and missing the point.

I don't think it would be necessary to do a grand reboot of the TNG era formally to use those characters in future Abramstrek stories. Just introduce them. Destiny is a big part of the Abramstrek, so I could also accept it as destiny that a Next Generation awaits when the time is right.

Look at it as 'Reuse and Recycle'

Let's table this discussion. For forty years. 2034 is the requisite wait.

Whatever TNG had, they wasted in a bunch of incomprehensibly bad movies. Secret Romulan baby Picards. Data in a haystack. Singing opera during a dogfight. Time-stopping Space Amish, and the galaxy-wide conspiracy to steal their planet. Holodeck tommy-guns, and the great Picard freak-out. Troy boinking half the command deck. Crusher perfecting her Barbara Bain blandness.

Enough for now.

Look at the screw-ups the TOS cast had in The Final Frontier-singing 'Row, Row Your Boat'; pretending to get lost; having the ship not work; having Captain Kirk's logbook malfunction; Scotty running into a bulkhead after saying how well he knew the ship; letting Sybok lead them on like a puppeteer; having the Enterprise cross the galaxy in a matter of hours to get to its center without transwarp-shall I go on? Not to forget all of the nonsense that went on in The Motion Picture and the third season of TOS.

Guess what, Sherlock? Failure is relative, and it happens to everybody.

TNG had their big chance for a "Grand Send Off." It was screwed up. Twice. You could have had "Undiscovered Country" - instead you had "Nemesis."

Time for nap time. Bury it for a bunch of years, to get the stink off it. In the meanwhile, write fanzines and attend conventions, and see how the other half lived.

'Scuse me, but the 'stink' is of your own perception, and no one else's. As for the 'other half', they didn't have to let what happened beat them, but they did. No one's fault but theirs, and theirs alone if they felt that way. Also, TNG, DS9, and Voyager continue in comic book and novel form, so again, 'death' is a matter of perception.

 

[flemm]

Only for you, and everybody else on this board-for me and many millions of others who don't spend a lot of time on the 'Net, not so much. Maybe you need to take some time away from TrekBBS,and go to a convention appearance of the TNG, DS9, & Voyager actors to really see how well-loved they, and the shows, still are.

You seem to post on this board (and in fact have done so far more than I), as do many others who like both Voyager and Enterprise. As for the millions upon millions who agree with you... let's do each other a favor and not prop up our opinions with imaginary hordes of people who agree with our respective views.

In my opinion, TNG and DS9 were fertile shows that broke new creative ground for Trek. Voyager was sterile and formulaic in the extreme. Enterprise I have more mixed feelings about. It appeals to me personally as a longtime fan of Trek who is not canon-oriented or obsessed. However, I feel that that demographic was always too small for the show to succeed.

 

[perigee]

Let's table this discussion. For forty years. 2034 is the requisite wait.

Whatever TNG had, they wasted in a bunch of incomprehensibly bad movies. Secret Romulan baby Picards. Data in a haystack. Singing opera during a dogfight. Time-stopping Space Amish, and the galaxy-wide conspiracy to steal their planet. Holodeck tommy-guns, and the great Picard freak-out. Troy boinking half the command deck. Crusher perfecting her Barbara Bain blandness.

Enough for now.

TNG had their big chance for a "Grand Send Off." It was screwed up. Twice. You could have had "Undiscovered Country" - instead you had "Nemesis."

Time for nap time. Bury it for a bunch of years, to get the stink off it. In the meanwhile, write fanzines and attend conventions, and see how the other half lived.

'Scuse me, but the 'stink' is of your own perception, and no one else's. As for the 'other half', they didn't have to let what happened beat them, but they did. No one's fault but theirs, and theirs alone if they felt that way. Also, TNG, DS9, and Voyager continue in comic book and novel form, so again, 'death' is a matter of perception.

NO One Elses?

Star Trek Nemesis - #54 boxoffice for 2002. Whupped by "Like Mike," "Snowdogs," "Stuart Little...2" Jackass- The Movie," "The Scorpion King," "Spy Kids 2," "Scooby Doo..." Maybe no one else in your basement, but the rest of the world seems to disagree. Strongly.

And, as for the other half let what happened beat them... You have no idea. You really, Really have no idea. Without that Other Half, there would have been no TNG. No way - no how. Whining in somebody else's BBS about your vapid feelings of rejection and buying some mass-media, spoon-fed publications don't count as doing Anything. These guys I respect. A lot. They're the people keeping TNG alive. If you're a fan, you should bookmark it. You should write in it. Put some effort out to keep it alive. Maybe one of you can start your own Welcommittee - ten times easier now, in the Internet age.

That's what kept Trek alive. That's what bought you TNG in the first place. And that's what you'll need to do to get a shot at another chance. That "Everybody" mouse in your pocket is a delusion that will bury TNG like MASH - 30-yer old reruns at 2 in the morning before the paid programming. Somebody's distant, fond memory. Death is not a matter of perception - it's a question of a pulse, of some brain activity. Denial doesn't cure it. But as "the other half" showed, you can keep it on life support until it comes to again.

I'll be curious to see if you guys can muster the guts and energy to do what has to be done.

 

[Nerys Myk]

While TNG maybe done, CBS might wanna look into capitalising on the success the Paramount/Viacom has had with Star Trek and get something on TV.

 

[DaveG]

To answer the original question: They were the finest crew in the fleet. Key word "were". But in my mind, they have yet to replaced by anything better. Not even close.