Well, @JoeRalat is still around, as he was here just yesterday according to his profile. Maybe we should bug him again?
Where did the Enterprise A come from?
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Well, @JoeRalat is still around, as he was here just yesterday according to his profile. Maybe we should bug him again?
Lexington and Saratoga were the two that closest to completion, thereby representing the largest financial investments already spent.
“According to the Star Trek Encyclopedia (4th ed., vol. 2, p. 509), "Roddenberry reportedly suggested the second USS Enterprise-A, launched at the end of Star Trek IV, had previously been named USS Yorktownsince it seemed unlikely that Starfleet could have built a new Enterprise so quickly. If this was the case, the Yorktown may have made it safely back to Earth and been repaired and renamed, or perhaps there was a newer, replacement Yorktown already under construction at the time of the probe crisis." The latter scenario could be supported by dialogue from Star Trek V where the Enterprise is described as a "new ship" by Scotty, whereas the former scenario serves as a convenient rationale for the difficulties Scotty had of getting the apparently recently refitted ship (therefore also fitting his "new ship" remark, akin to a similar remark Will Decker had already made on the refit-Enterprise in Star Trek: The Motion Picture) back in operational order after the debilitating effects the Whale Probe had inflicted on it.
The season four internal studio document, Star Trek: The Next Generation Writers' Technical Manual (2nd ed. p. 6), co-written by Star Trek Encyclopedia Co-Author Michael Okuda, emphatically stated the renaming scenario as being the case, reiterated in its one year later released Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual spinoff publication and reaffirmed in the even later officially licensed Star Trek Fact Files and the 2010 reference book USS Enterprise Owners' Workshop Manual. This was further validated when, in later Star Trek Encyclopedias, Okuda described the 2293 Yorktown – the one Tuvok's father served on – as the second ship to bear the name. The Starfleet practice of renaming a vessel for a very deserving other vessel was later canonically established in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine episodes "The Changing Face of Evil" and "The Dogs of War", when the USS Sao Paulo was rechristened as the USS Defiant, when the original Defiant was destroyed in the Dominion War. The Star Trek Encyclopediaand all other subsequent official reference works confirm the Yorktown being a Constitution-class heavy cruiser. The producers of Star Trek: The Original Series had the name included on their final fourteen ship list at the start of its second season, belonging to the Constitution-class, then still referred to as "Starship-class" by them. (The Making of Star Trek, pp. 164-165)”
The season four internal studio document, Star Trek: The Next Generation Writers' Technical Manual (2nd ed. p. 6), co-written by Star Trek Encyclopedia Co-Author Michael Okuda, emphatically stated the renaming scenario as being the case, reiterated in its one year later released Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual spinoff publication and reaffirmed in the even later officially licensed Star Trek Fact Files and the 2010 reference book USS Enterprise Owners' Workshop Manual. This was further validated when, in later Star Trek Encyclopedias, Okuda described the 2293 Yorktown – the one Tuvok's father served on – as the second ship to bear the name. The Starfleet practice of renaming a vessel for a very deserving other vessel was later canonically established in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine episodes "The Changing Face of Evil" and "The Dogs of War", when the USS Sao Paulo was rechristened as the USS Defiant, when the original Defiant was destroyed in the Dominion War. The Star Trek Encyclopediaand all other subsequent official reference works confirm the Yorktown being a Constitution-class heavy cruiser. The producers of Star Trek: The Original Series had the name included on their final fourteen ship list at the start of its second season, belonging to the Constitution-class, then still referred to as "Starship-class" by them. (The Making of Star Trek, pp. 164-165)”
At the time of auction..I did ask the public if anyone wanted to go in and if people did, I would make it public. No one did, so I spent $350 on it. I was going to post a few pages, but was asked not to. I own it and can do what I want with it, but out of respect..I’m not posting anything on it. Sorry.
That feels like such a loss for the community but I respect your decision. One question though: What do the "transwarp" graphics reproduced in Mr Scott's Guide originally say? Are they the same but with "warp" instead of "transwarp" or were the changes more extensive?
It’s not transwarp, also some of the graphics are slightly different.
My problem with it being Yorktown is that we just saw Yorktown earlier in the film. From the timing of that scene to when the whales are returned and the ships regain power, there is no reason to believe that the Yorktown suffered any ill effects. There is no reason to suppose that Yorktown was on its last mission. We are presented a ship on duty. The other ships we see regain power. You have to suppose a new Yorktown for the pieces to fit together. And if it was a new ship that hadn't even had a shakedown cruise, what it was named is irrelevant. The implication of it being the Yorktown is that it was an existing ship, but Scotty's statement in TFF makes that unlikely. So I maintain that it was not the Yorktown as it doesn't fit with canon.
The US Navy has a Recruit Barracks Building called USS Enterprise BLDG 7115 at the Great Lakes Training Facility, named after all ships named Enterprise which have served in the Navy. Perhaps the Mark IV Simulator Enterprise Class is named in honor of the group of ships rather than being a simulation of any given ship or class.
I completely agree with you. The rationale that makes the most sense to me is that the Enterprise-A was a brand-new ship which was decommissioned a few years later only because the Enterprise-B had just been completed. The Enterprise-A was then recommissioned and rechristened with a different name and registry number, and new crew (just like Kirk mentions at the end of TUC, although the statement was meant to foreshadow the Enterprise-D crew.)
They've named most of the buildings at RTC after ships:
Map of RTC
I guess that is to make it more Navy-like than having your training units called 'companies' like when I went through boot camp.
I just don't understand the logic behind selling something physically to another person and then saying they cannot share it. I understand your reasons for not doing so, though; if everybody who owned a real physical trek prop or model did whatever whith wanted with it, it might destroy the historical value.
Here's a wild inversion of the expectations:
The Enterprise-A BECOMES the new Yorktown when the Enterprise-B is commissioned!
Tuvok's statement then carries a bit more emotional weight and ties the episode further into ST:6 (With much process-of-elimination and trial-and-error with lists from Ex Astris Scientia, I suspect the Wambundu-class from TNG is a new name for movie-style ships that were changed from heavy cruisers to medical/light cruisers.)
That’s presuming that there was something wrong with the old Yorktown that warranted it being decommissioned in the first place. It only lost power. It wasn’t damaged in any way, as far as I know. As we saw in the film, once power was restored, everything went back to normal. The worst that could have happened was that the crew all died.
For me, I have no problem believing that the Yorktown that Tuvok’s father served on was the same ship from TVH.
actually this is exactly what I did in a fan-fic reimagining of Generations I wrote many years ago.
Although in "Relics(TNG)" Scotty tells Riker and Geordi that the Enterprise-A had been mothballed by the time he disappeared in 2294.
All ‘mothballing’ means is that said mothballed item is being put in storage to be used again at some future date.
To me, the Endeavour structural spares angle seems the best option. Particularly if Starfleet had decided to decommission any damaged Constitutions, so the spares wouldn't be needed, but could be assembled as one last ship.
FWIW, the TNG technical manual says that the parts for 13 Galaxies had been built, but only 7 had been assembled, with the other six kept as parts at locations across the Federation, ready for assembly in an emergency.
FWIW, the TNG technical manual says that the parts for 13 Galaxies had been built, but only 7 had been assembled, with the other six kept as parts at locations across the Federation, ready for assembly in an emergency.
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Given that there were about ten Galaxy-class ships seen in a episode of DS9, it's probably safe to say that Starfleet had already exercised the option of additional vessels (if we go by the TNG TM) even before the start of the Dominion War. It's possible that the First Borg Offensive (Wolf 359) may have prompted the need for more Galaxy-class ships and maybe more ships in general.
