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Where did the Enterprise A come from?

A massive replicator.

They still haven't explained why they don't just do that.
As Rick Sternbach put it in the TNG TM, "If you could replicate an entire starship with the push of a button, you wouldn't need to."

Steering it back around to the original question, and looking back from TVH instead of ahead... There is less-than-reliable data as to what Kirk did with the Enterprise after TMP. We know, from Generations, that Kirk left Starfleet between TMP and TWOK. We know he came back not too long before TWOK, and seems to have become an Academy instructor, with the Enterprise in semi-retirement, repurposed as a training vessel. At that point, it was just another Constitution-class starship a bit past its prime, and he was just another Starfleet officer with the stuff to make it to Starship command, and thence to the Admiralty.

As was pointed out, as of TWOK, Chekov and Kyle were on the Reliant, Spock and Scotty were on the Enterprise in a training capacity, McCoy and Uhura seemed to be at the Academy with Kirk (a sense I get, from stuff in both TWOK as well as TUC), and Rand and Chapel were working at Starfleet HQ. Sulu was slated to be Captain of the Excelsior once she entered active service, but it's unclear what he was up to in general before Kirk roped the gang into helping out with the new class' Kobayashi Maru test and subsequent training cruise.

All that to say, Our Heroes were all getting on with their careers. But then the Reliant stumbled across Khan and everything went pear-shaped. Because of what happened there, and its aftermath, Kirk ended up disobeying direct orders, Scotty sabotaged the Excelsior, Sulu and Uhura assaulted Starfleet personnel -- and then Kirk, with the help of Scotty, Sulu, and Chekov, stole the Enterprise, Killed a Klingon renegade and his crew (however justified, it'd strain things between powers), and then deliberately destroyed the Enterprise, again with Scotty's and Chekov's assistance.

So those guys were on the outs with Starfleet at the time of the probe incident. They probably wouldn't have held McCoy responsible, due to his diminished mental state, and Spock certainly not. Saving the planet helped, yes. Note that all the charges were dismissed but the one on Kirk for disobeying orders. But that's still a black mark for all of them to work off. The Federation Council might be ready to hang medals on all of them, but Starfleet Command, and their fellow officers, would be looking on them with mistrust until things had settled. I still have @Timo's old essay on this, from rec.arts.startrek.tech, and I still largely agree with it. The Federation Council wanted Starfleet to reward Kirk with a starship command again, but he hasn't been in command of a starship in even longer than between TAS and TMP. He already retired once. He's halfway out the door. So they're not going to give him something just out of the yard.

Whether the Enterprise-A was an old, refitted Constitution or a new-built uprate, it's still old tech by this point. It's a posting for Kirk to finish out his term and for the others to serve their probation. It says something that Sulu still got the Excelsior, that Uhura still went back to the Academy and HQ, etc. Personally, I prefer it being an old ship renamed. As Timo put it, it was given to Kirk as a replica of the Enterprise he'd lost, but they couldn't paint "1701" on the hull, as that number belonged to the original. So it got the suffix to distinguish it -- but in fleet inventory, it was still on file as spaceframe NCC-1704, or whatever. With an annotation as to its changed displayed pennantry.

After Kirk thwarted the conspirators and basically single-handedly assured the peace treaty between Federation and Klingon Empire that would lead, in a few decades to the Klingons "joining the Federation" (as TNG put it), what notoriety the names "Kirk" and "Enterprise" had got squared and cubed. From his time as head of Starfleet Operations, he would have been familiar with the Great Experiment, if the Excelsior took as long to launch as the Galaxy. Maybe decommissioning all the Constitutions was an early concession. Per Torg in TSFS, Klingons regarded them as "Battlecruisers", while the Excelsiors were new enough and there had been no active engagements with the Klingons with them as there had been with the Constitutions. Maybe it was just that ship, with her age and wear and tear.

At any rate, Kirk went to work on turning the Excelsior into something less combat-oriented, in the process creating Starfleet's first "Explorer" (a term later applied to the Ambassador and Galaxy classes). Starfleet decided to capitalize on his increased fame and involvement by naming the first ship thus configured Enterprise, and carrying the registry forward again, now with the "-B". The launch of that ship was very definitely a PR event for Starfleet.

And then, as Timo put it, "like all stupid military traditions, it didn't die the death it so richly deserved".

As for the Enterprise-A being the Yorktown, it works. Especially if the ship required repairs or even a minor refit after its encounter with the probe, and also given ancillary sources have an Excelsior-class Yorktown entering service around then. I'm not wedded to the idea, but it works. In my notes I have a little thing about newer ships being considered, such as the newly-finished Levant or Ti-Ho, before Starfleet decided to go with the older ship. I tend to like to include as much as I can from all sources, massaged to fit.
 
By the time of TWOK, all the Constitutions were refitted and maybe refitted again. I doubt they were still making new space frames for the class for ships originally built in the 2245's. I think it had to be a refitted older ship, but why do we always go to the Yorktown? Because it is the only other Constitution class ship ever mentioned on-screen (edit. movie screen). The Yorktown is active (and looks already refitted) in TVH, so, it is not the refitted ship that is renamed USS Enterprise 1701-A. Refits take time, like ~18 months. One, we should pick some other old hulk for the renamed Enterprise-A, possibly the last Constitution class to be refitted, and maybe in refit limbo at the time. Or two and more likely, this could be a Space Shuttle Endeavour situation, i.e. a new ship pieced together from leftover spare parts. This "new" ship is hastily completed where the doors don't work, the transporter is non-operational and turbolift shaft three shows it was pieced together with used space station parts:
SCOTT (OC): U.S.S. Enterprise, shakedown cruise report. I think this new ship was put together by monkeys. Och, she's got a fine engine, but half the doors won't open, and guess whose job it is to make it right?
...
SCOTT: They can't be serious! The ship's in pieces and we've got less than a skeleton crew aboard.
...
UHURA: Mister Scott apologises for having to send the shuttlecraft The transporter beam is non-operational.
...
SCOTT: All I can say is they don't make 'em like they used to.
KIRK: You told me you could have the ship operational in two weeks. I gave you three. What happened?
SCOTT: I think you gave me too much time, Captain.
...
(the turbolift doors fail to open properly)
KIRK: Doesn't anything work on this ship?
McCOY: Starfleet's got some nerve sending us out in this condition.
...
ADMIRAL BENNETT (on viewscreen): The same. From what we can make out, a terrorist force has captured the only settlement and they've taken hostages. The Klingon, the Romulan and the Federation consuls. Now I know Enterprise is not exactly up to specs...
KIRK: With all due respect, the Enterprise is a disaster. There must be other ships in the Quadrant.
...
SCOTT: You might be able to reach it by means of turboshaft number three which is closed for repairs. It's a long and dangerous climb.
McCOY: Some of us get off on long and dangerous climbs.
KIRK: Scotty, get the transporter working. If we make contact with a rescue ship, we'll need it.
SCOTT: Aye sir.
KIRK: Which way to the turboshaft?
SCOTT: Straight down that tunnel to the hydro vent and turn right, then left at the blowscreen. You can't miss it.
KIRK: Mister Scott, you're amazing.
SCOTT: Nothing amazing about it. I know this ship like I know the back of my hand.
Scotty says it is a new ship, and no one else implies it was a old ship or refitted in any dialog. Conclusion: New Ship. :techman:
 
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Scotty says it is a new ship, and no one else implies it was a old ship or refitted in any dialog. Conclusion: New Ship.

It can also be interpreted that it is new to him. Convenient that they had a fresh Connie rolling off the assembly line right as Kirk and crew needed one. :p
 
It can also be interpreted that it is new to him. Convenient that they had a fresh Connie rolling off the assembly line right as Kirk and crew needed one. :p
I think the right thing is to take the character for what he said, and not put counter interpretations into these words. Plus, many other characters had plenty of opportunity to says something to the contrary but they didn't. KISS principle. New Ship.
 
I think it had to be a refitted older ship, but why do we always go to the Yorktown? Because it is the only other Constitution class ship ever mentioned on-screen. The Yorktown is active (and looks already refitted) in TVH, so, it is not the refitted ship that is renamed USS Enterprise 1701-A.

We never saw the exterior of the Yorktown in STIV, so we don't know if it was a Constitution class ship. Neither do we know that the Enterprise-A was once the Yorktown.
 
I still go with Lora Johnson's take on it. It was a newish build that had been serving as a testbed for new technologies.
 
By the time of TWOK, all the Constitutions were refitted and maybe refitted again. I doubt they were still making new space frames for the class for ships originally built in the 2245's.
I would say many to most, but not all. At least one needed to have survived in an older configuration to be in the fleet museum for Picard to have seen. I'm happy sticking with Todd Guenther's conceit that it's the Potemkin. But as I said over in the Starbase 11 wall chart thread, I go with a picture of the class evolving as new tech came along, so only the first ten or so Constitutions were built at the 947', 1st-Pilot-detailed configuration, several more were built to the ~1,050', Production-detailed standard. And so on. As the newest and biggest ships, they wouldn't be able to build many at a time, and they'd take a bit to get them off the skids for the first while.

Twenty years in, by TOS, they'd've streamlined build time and shipbuilding capacity is growing all the time. But the Constitutions coming off the line by the 2260s would be more like the fandom Constitution [II]. And then when the Enterprise went in for its next refit, Scotty got over-excited and the ship ended up setting a new standard, that would remain for the next decade until new manufacture ended because the Excelsior class was starting to come into service.
I think it had to be a refitted older ship, but why do we always go to the Yorktown? Because it is the only other Constitution class ship ever mentioned on-screen. The Yorktown is active (and looks already refitted) in TVH, so, it is not the refitted ship that is renamed USS Enterprise 1701-A. Refits take time, like ~18 months.
"We" tend to go to the Yorktown because Mike Okuda suggested/said it was starting in the early '90s. And that, because the ship for Roddenberry's space show was initially going to be called the S.S. Yorktown. It's an easter egg, making the second Enterprise the former Yorktown, as the first one existentially was, as well. And it's not the only other Constitution mentioned onscreen. Other non-destroyed Connies from TOS are: Lexington, Potemkin, Hood, Exeter, and Excalibur. Add in the Merrimac from the Epsilon IX comm chatter, and we've got seven established Connies to pick from. It's not canon that the E-A used to be the Yorktown, but because of that initial suggestion from production staff, it's doubtful any official source will contradict that.
One, we should pick some other old hulk for the renamed Enterprise-A, possibly the last Constitution class to be refitted, and maybe in refit limbo at the time. Or two and more likely, this could be a Space Shuttle Endeavour situation, i.e. a new ship pieced together from leftover spare parts. This "new" ship is hastily completed where the doors don't work, the transporter is non-operational and turbolift shaft three shows it was pieced together with used space station parts:

Scotty says it is a new ship, and no one else implies it was a old ship or refitted in any dialog. Conclusion: New Ship. :techman:
I'm fine with it being either a new ship or an old ship refitted -- but the refit would have occurred before TVH. Possibly right before, and Scotty's working out the bugs that showed up on its shakedown cruise -- that unfortunately took place right when the probe showed up. But I'm also fine with it being a new ship. The main sticking point is that it'd only be seven years old when decommissioned, but that can be explained by the class being retired as part of a disarmament agreement with the Klingons.
 
Even if it was a new build we’ve seen something like that happening elsewhere: there is some indication that Starfleet keep building excelsior way into the late 24th century, when the design is almost one century old!
 
"We" tend to go to the Yorktown because Mike Okuda suggested/said it was starting in the early '90s. And that, because the ship for Roddenberry's space show was initially going to be called the S.S. Yorktown. It's an easter egg, making the second Enterprise the former Yorktown, as the first one existentially was, as well. And it's not the only other Constitution mentioned onscreen. Other non-destroyed Connies from TOS are: Lexington, Potemkin, Hood, Exeter, and Excalibur. Add in the Merrimac from the Epsilon IX comm chatter, and we've got seven established Connies to pick from. It's not canon that the E-A used to be the Yorktown, but because of that initial suggestion from production staff, it's doubtful any official source will contradict that.
Yikes, I didn't make the easter egg connection to the Yorktown. USS Yorktown was first used in TOS:Obsession, so, I assume it to be another carryover starship to the movies like the Enterprise. Also, I was thinking Movie-era Connies, and I missed the Merrimac chatter. Why is it a Connie candidate, anyway? I do get that the original Merrimac was renamed the Virginia, so, is history repeating itself?
 
Yikes, I didn't make the easter egg connection to the Yorktown. USS Yorktown was first used in TOS:Obsession, so, I assume it to be another carryover starship to the movies like the Enterprise. Also, I was thinking Movie-era Connies, and I missed the Merrimac chatter. Why is it a Connie candidate, anyway? I do get that the original Merrimac was renamed the Virginia, so, is history repeating itself?
I figure by a decade after the Enterprise's big refit, most surviving Flight I Constitutions had been uprated to those specs. Newer ones, like the Endeavour or more-recently-refitted ones like the Constitution would be up-to-date enough to stay relevant, most likely. This is why I'm fine giving the Yorktown one of those early registries on the Starbase 11 chart (1703 or 1709).

The Merrimac was one of FJ's Constitutions, and fits within Matt Jeffries Constitution registry block. So, as far as I'm concerned, it's a Constitution -- of whatever configuration. He also had a Monitor. Since Merrimac was it's US Navy name before the Confederacy claimed and renamed it, I'm fine with it being the Merrimac. I, personally, wouldn't want to rename this one. *lol* Something, something, insult to injury. ;)
 
With some of us supposing that the Enterprise refit spawned an entirely new class (The Enterprise class), the A could have started out as one of these newbuilds spawned from copying the Enterprise's refit. 4 shows us a repainted WoK bridge, but I can believe these Enterprise builds had a bridge layout similar to 5/6. It's the technological extent of the space-frame, based on the original 50s Constitution but essentially being a totally new craft.

But, the needs of starfleet saw these excellent heavy cruisers (explaining the longevity of the class): 1. Being too small for Starfleet's desired baseline (represented by the Excelsior) and 2. too expensive for the cruiser utility roles being excellently serviced by the new Miranda class. WHile new Enterprises were built in the 2280s to have a strong fleet against the Klingons, by the 2290s no new Enterprises were built. The A was one of the last ones in service.
 
It would need to be 1703. The Remastered version of "The Ultimate Computer" established that the Lexington is NCC-1709.
 
With some of us supposing that the Enterprise refit spawned an entirely new class (The Enterprise class), the A could have started out as one of these newbuilds spawned from copying the Enterprise's refit.

Star Trek VI has Scott looking at Constitution-class blueprints when he finds the assassins clothing in the air duct.
 
Star Trek VI has Scott looking at Constitution-class blueprints when he finds the assassins clothing in the air duct.
Paper blueprints and paper dictionaries. It’s a great movie but some details really didn’t age well.
 
Star Trek had already been depicting a world of largely digitized/computerized info from the beginning of TOS, though with the occasional physical book volume portrayed as a throwback (Samuel T. Cogley in particular). Meyer apparently liked those kinds of tangible, deliberately old-fashioned details. As somewhat of a book enthusiast myself, I greatly prefer a physical book, as e-books somehow seem more ephemeral and less "real."

And who knows? Forty years ago they were making a big deal that pretty soon offices wouldn't be using paper at all anymore. Yet so much paper is still in use that whole storage units are required just to keep all those records and documents organized and out of people's hair.

Kor
 
Star Trek VI has Scott looking at Constitution-class blueprints when he finds the assassins clothing in the air duct.

There's always that hangup, isn't there? I can also point out the MARK IV SIMULATOR ENTERPRISE CLASS in Wrath of Khan as contrary evidence. Which one's correct?

The way I figure it is, after enough Constitutions were refitted to Enterprise specifications the entire class was re-designated as Constitutions. So Enterprise-class is both an artifact of that 2270s refit to distinguish the two, but it's also modern parlance to describe the modernized version of the cruiser.
 
Meyer apparently liked those kinds of tangible, deliberately old-fashioned details.
Feel free to remove the apparently: he got confronted on the silliness of the dictionary scenes but insisted to do it that way.
As somewhat of a book enthusiast myself, I greatly prefer a physical book, as e-books somehow seem more ephemeral and less "real."
Oh, I love the object but still ereaders are so much convenient, especially for huge books and small apartments (or traveling).

The scene in court martial felt really silly to me way back in the 90s, but the dictionary scene in TUC is worse on so many levels.
 
When has anyone ever applied that to Star Trek? :lol:

What, the Keep Inventing Suitable Shit principle? Not a day goes by without me indulging.

On the issue at hand, I, too, like to pretend that Ships of the Star Fleet happened (aka the Keep It SotSF Synched principle), because its nomenclature logic covers all the bases. Each subclass is named after the earliest ship refitted, so we cutely get Constitution (II) class for the Phase II refit, but Enterprise class for the TMP refit. But note that it's the earliest, not the first - the Endeavor gets dibs for her subclass due to her lowestmost registry number and original completion date, even when the Eagle was actually refitted to that standard at an earlier date.

Now, all we have to assume is that the E-A indeed used to be the Yorktown - so according to SotSF she would have been turned into a cheapo Constitution (II) early on, and would be a prime recipient for a higher refit standard later on, alongside USS Constitution herself, and thus the Yorktown indeed would become a Constitution! (Or more accurately Constitution (III), but the Krop It Slightly Shorter principle applies.)

Since the interiors of the E-A and the E-nil-refit do differ, I have no qualms about applying the two different subclass names, aka Keep Iterations Systematically Separated. But at some point, Starfleet would notice all its ship classes tend to eventually get divided into distinct subclasses one ship strong, and would ditch subclass names in disgust - at which point Constitution would be a doubly strong contender for the few surviving heavy cruisers, both via the ur-ship and via the most modern refit...

Timo Saloniemi
 
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