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Where did the Enterprise A come from?

More fun that way. Not every questioned detail needs an answer.

True, but the fate of the Enterprise-A is something that I think a lot of fans would have liked to know. I certainly do.

My personal assumption is that the Miranda-class was contemporary with the Constitution (And that the Reliant was listed on Commodore Stone's wall chart), and the the Oberth-class is actually a lot older than both, given the low registry of the Grissom. And I put the Constellation as being contemporary or even slightly post-dating the Excelsior, being one of the last of the "Class I" lineage.

YMMV, of course.

I feel the exact opposite about the Grissom. I think it’s a contemporary to the Excelsior (based on its similarity to the Excelsior study models built by Bill George) and the only reason why it had a small registry number was because it was a small ship (conversely, the huge Excelsior had a huge (at the time) registry of NX-2000.

I go with the idea that it was a new ship whose construction was underway during the whale probe incident and completed around the time of the trial. After the trial it was officially given the name Enterprise and had its hull markings applied.

Yeah, I feel the same way, with one exception: I think that Starfleet’s original plan was to decommission the NCC-1701 and make the second Excelsior class starship off the line as the NCC-1701-A. But the Whale Probe incident changed all that, because that second ship wasn’t built yet, and they gave a different ship the registry as a reward to Kirk.
 
To be fair, the book is a totally non-canon fan production, and Shane/Lora Johnson says the name is in honor of a personal friend.

I'm not really concerned about where a nugget of information comes from. The idea works for me. Also, it was published by Pocket Books, the license holder at the time, so while the book may be out of step with what came later, it was "official" at the time.
 
Since it was decommissioned in 2293. I would lean towards a renamed ship that was of a latter block of ships built. Maybe 2255.
So I favor Yorktown renamed and recently refit after the whale probe. And rushed so to get Kirk his ship.
In real, I think they were going to use the excelsior but apparently it wasn't well liked so they went back to the Connie.
 
In real, I think they were going to use the excelsior but apparently it wasn't well liked so they went back to the Connie.

In reality, they only reused the TMP Enterprise because it was available and it was only going to be onscreen for a few seconds. ILM didn’t like filming the model but they had no other choice.
 
So I favor Yorktown renamed and recently refit after the whale probe.
Why would you refit the Yorktown in which the bridge looks like it is already refit to the Wrath of Khan configuration? The Whale Probe power drain was only temporary and everything got power back at the end, so, no damage done. We should leave the poor Yorktown in peace and stop trying to steal its history.
 
Yeah, I feel the same way, with one exception: I think that Starfleet’s original plan was to decommission the NCC-1701 and make the second Excelsior class starship off the line as the NCC-1701-A. But the Whale Probe incident changed all that, because that second ship wasn’t built yet, and they gave a different ship the registry as a reward to Kirk.
I pretty much think the same thing.

Starfleet decided to pull a PR stunt by quickly slapping the name Enterprise on a freshly built Constitution class ship rather than waiting for the planned Excelsior class one to be built. The glitchiness of the 1701-A in STV:TFF was due to them shoving it into service for the PR stunt before they had a chance to test and run the bugs out of it.
 
I pretty much think the same thing.

Starfleet decided to pull a PR stunt by quickly slapping the name Enterprise on a freshly built Constitution class ship rather than waiting for the planned Excelsior class one to be built. The glitchiness of the 1701-A in STV:TFF was due to them shoving it into service for the PR stunt before they had a chance to test and run the bugs out of it.
Always wait till Tuesday.
 
The Yorktown. After the Captain deployed their makeshift solar sail and got the ship back to Spacedock it was decided in the wake of Kirk's heroic rescue of the planet from the Whale Probe to reward him and his senior officers by renaming the Yorktown since she may have been the only Constitution-class starship directly affected and immobilized by the effects of the probe. It was a ship that was likely due to undergo repairs in the first place whether or not the result of the Whale Probe Crisis.

As for her Captain, I hear he went on to serve in a New York City Police Department precinct after yet another time travel incident. ;)
 
The Yorktown. After the Captain deployed their makeshift solar sail and got the ship back to Spacedock it was decided in the wake of Kirk's heroic rescue of the planet from the Whale Probe to reward him and his senior officers by renaming the Yorktown since she may have been the only Constitution-class starship directly affected and immobilized by the effects of the probe.

Did they take her senior staff out back and shoot them? :shifty:
 
The Yorktown. After the Captain deployed their makeshift solar sail and got the ship back to Spacedock it was decided in the wake of Kirk's heroic rescue of the planet from the Whale Probe to reward him and his senior officers by renaming the Yorktown since she may have been the only Constitution-class starship directly affected and immobilized by the effects of the probe. It was a ship that was likely due to undergo repairs in the first place whether or not the result of the Whale Probe Crisis.

As for her Captain, I hear he went on to serve in a New York City Police Department precinct after yet another time travel incident. ;)

If the Enterprise-A was really the Yorktown, then the more likely scenario was that the captain and the rest of the crew all died.

Also, in 2293 during the events of TUC, Tuvok's father was serving on a ship named the Yorktown. So either a new Yorktown was commissioned sometime after the Whale Probe incident, or it's the same Yorktown from TVH and the Enterprise-A was some other ship.
 
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As a kid I assumed it was a new ship but now like the idea it was an old one to explain why it was decommissioned so fast. There's another Yorktown mentioned in Flashback I think, so that could be a new ship and the old one became Enterprise-A. I found it weird at first with old ships being renamed but it happens so much in real life when ships get sold to other countries and whatnot. Here in Australia our only aircraft carrier HMAS Melbourne was the HMS Majestic and HMAS Kanimbla was the USS Saginaw for example. Another part of me likes it being a new ship so as to build an alternate timeline to Trek VI where the crew stepped down at the end of the film but the E-A was still in service in the early 24th century.

Here's an alternate Enterprise-A designed by Spencer J. Perdriau. https://www.deviantart.com/enterprisedavid/art/USS-Enterprise-NCC-1701-A-Perdriau-Class-632240981
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I love that saucer!
 
I'm not particularly fond of any "Starfleet intended to build the next Enterprise to be X", as a thing. Real-world navies don't build ships with names - they just build a ship and then slap a name on her. If there's a cool cruiser named Enterprise there, the next cool cruiser to be introduced might be named Battleaxe or Harmony, and the good name Enterprise might go to a fuel lighter or a survey ship, or not be used for a century.

However, at some point, Starfleet clearly does decide it's a good idea to always have an Enterprise (although she never quite gets to be the showpiece for newest tech, there always being some other class ship to the class where an Enterprise is only the second or sixth ship down the line). Is it right here, when the E-nil perishes under suspicious and even shameful circumstances, and suddenly we get an E-A? Is it when the E-A valiantly defends UFP values and gets ingloriously scrapped (?), and suddenly there's an E-B? Is it when the E-B gives way to an E-C, with unknown gap in between? When the E-C disappears, and Starfleet for twenty years decides not to name any ship the E-D?

I'm sort of thinking the transition from E-A to E-B is the first "regular" occurrence, the E-nil to E-A thing being unheard of in Starfleet history and only ever brought upon by the unique circumstances where Kirk has to be given a reward and a punishment at the same time. Before the nil/A thing, Starfleet just recycled names without further ado. But keeping on milking Kirk's good rep for propaganda value was so easy, they immediately jumped at the opportunity for giving their latest over-the-budget, below-the-specs, behind-the-schedule investment this illusion of continuity and painted NCC-1701-B instead of NCC-7890 on her.

Once addicted to this PR trick, they likewise created the Yamato-B, and milked that one till the Y-E at least. Perhaps the Galaxy class was such a big thing that they absolutely needed to "recycle reputations" there, at least twice, even though they had already given up on this scheme once with the E-C a few decades earlier?

That the E-A disappears after only moderate damage and a handful of service years is IMHO principally a sign of the design age of the Constitutions. Even the TMP refit is stretching things a bit, and Starfleet would be much happier to just retire all the ships in the 2280s already. The E-A may be an old yet "zero-houred" ship, or a true newbuild created chiefly because Starfleet needed a replica and not because they would have needed a starship; either way, she may be considered "brand new". But her design is the thing not worth perpetuating in the 2290s any longer; better make a fresh start.

...This start in all likelihood not being the E-B! Harriman's ship may well be in a completely different category of starships, and in no way intended to succeed Kirk's ship - she may be the newest 2290s battleship while Kirk's was the oldest 2290s cruiser, and Starfleet would retire some old battleship class and introduce some new cruiser class, neither of these involving the name Enterprise.

Indeed, I doubt any Enterprise was ever a successor to a preceding one, except in the most trivial sense. The E-B is too big to be the successor to the E-A, in an environment where Starfleet continues to operate ships sized like the E-A; the E-C design doesn't seem to inherit the workhorse mantle and related ubiquity of the E-B design; the E-D design admittedly may be what replaces the E-C design, but Starfleet drags its feet moving the name over; and the E-E again is a step down from the E-D sizewise and an unlikely candidate for a successor.

Timo Saloniemi
 
I'm not particularly fond of any "Starfleet intended to build the next Enterprise to be X", as a thing. Real-world navies don't build ships with names - they just build a ship and then slap a name on her.

The next aircraft carrier Enterprise had its name announced at the end of 2012, at the decommissioning of the previous Enterprise, and construction didn't begin until 2017. The next carrier being built by the U.S. after that one, USS Doris Miller, had its name announced this January, and they haven't started building it, either. Some quick wikipediaing also showed me two named Virginia-class submarines that are on-order. At least in America, today, ships seem to be named as soon as they get planned more solidly than, "There are still more numbers left, let's assume we're going to want to make another one at some point that'll be NCC-1702."
 
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There's never been a hard-and-fast rule when it comes to naming ships in Star Trek. Some ships get decommissioned/destroyed and another ship is immediately commissioned with the same name; others take years or even decades before the name is reused. And some ships get their names replaced.
 
There's never been a hard-and-fast rule when it comes to naming ships in Star Trek. Some ships get decommissioned/destroyed and another ship is immediately commissioned with the same name; others take years or even decades before the name is reused. And some ships get their names replaced.

This. We had a Nebula-class Prometheus in DS9, then turned around and had the MVAM Prometheus in Voyager a couple years later.
 
others take years or even decades before the name is reused.

Yeah, like the 20-year gap between Enterprises C and D.

Which I see two ways out of. Either:

- Starfleet intentionally withdrew the name Enterprise from circulation to pay tribute to the sacrifice of the Enterprise-C and its crew,

OR

- the Galaxy class was already on the books when the C was destroyed and Starfleet wanted to wait until one was ready before reusing the name.

As for the Enterprise-A, we really haven't got a clue. I got the distinct impression, though, that the A was a brand new ship. Otherwise why would it be having so many problems?
 
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