They have a Battle Bridge and a Second Bridge?
Timo Saloniemi
dude - that ship is huge - they even have an actual bridge over a stream of water.
Where are those people coming from?
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dude - that ship is huge - they even have an actual bridge over a stream of water.
All Seeing Eye
Admiral
They have a Battle Bridge and a Second Bridge?
Timo Saloniemi
It's the second turbolift for the main bridge.
They have a Battle Bridge and a Second Bridge?
Timo Saloniemi
It's the second turbolift for the main bridge.
There are already two... Three if you count the dedicated one to the Battle Bridge. Why suggest that is a fourth turbolift?
Besides, Probert took the trouble of indicating the placement of the turboshafts on the exterior of the bridge area of the ship miniature. There is a round top end for the portside forward lift, a pair of round tops for the portside aft lift and its "waiting position", and even a square to indicate the top end of the Battle Bridge turboshaft. Perhaps Probert's intention was that the shafts could be opened at their top ends and perhaps hooked onto the shaft network of another ship or starbase. There's no provision there for a shaft at the location of the mystery doorway, though.
Timo Saloniemi
Timo Saloniemi
darkwing_duck1
Vice Admiral
I beleive the dialoge indicated that they would come up behind the stations at the REAR of the Bridge, not in the Head.
Okay, this is getting silly. There are only TWO openings in that aft-starboard alcove and, if you had visited the 'set', you would have read their door labels indicating that the one in question was labeled: HEAD, the other was labeled: CONFERENCE LOUNGE (NOT the friggin' observation lounge,... a major peeve of mine).
Just because someone takes the time, makes the effort to "design" a reasonably logical space, addressing the needs/requirements of those using that space,... it does not mean that those people filming in it, or those in charge of the production have the ability to recognize or appreciate what has been provided.
Examples? Just on that one deck alone: The emergency equipment bays outboard of each ramp, never used. The food replicators below the dedication plaque & ship silhouettes, never used. The Captain's Readyroom head, never used,... except for providing tea (hot).
In this case, I'm sure the director saw a door and even if he/she made the effort to read the label, decided to blow it off (using the bullshit line: "no one will ever know the difference")... yeah, if I had a nickel for every time I had to hear that one... thinking there should be some 'action' behind the principals. Having the BG people enter & exit at camera right would have been the thing to do, but...
Andrew-
Weren't they turned into computer hardware access?
http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/s1/1x16/oneone031.jpg
http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/s2/2x11/contagion245.jpg
They were indeed, I stand corrected. My focus was on unused as intended.
Good call.
Andrew-
My favorite unused function of Picard's Ready Room was the slide-out bed from the sofa. I wonder, if seen onscreen, it would've seemed too much like the good captain had a "casting couch" in his office. And now, if I try to envision it being used, something from Austin Powers comes to mind.
Hey, Joe...
That always bothered me, too...
For TNG, based upon where we see them coming from, presumably there's a "backup crew ready room" one deck down where standby crewmen hang out waiting to cover for anyone who has to leave their duty station, and they come up by the (otherwise almost never used) "emergency battle bridge turbolift."
When I did my own ship design, I decided that there should be a "crew ready room" directly attached to the bridge proper. See this image... it's the room on the starboard side.
Now, in this case, the entire bridge module is independent (meaning the rest of the ship can be evacuated, and the bridge module can eject last of all, having its own integral thrusters and life support and so forth), too... something I always assumed was the case with the TMP-era bridges as well.
The reason I added this room was for exactly the reason you describe. It makes no sense to have crewmen stranded at their stations with no opportunity for "relief," much less to be able to be replaced in a crisis.
So, in my thought process, this room is staffed by (at normal conditions) a single junior officer. This is a rotating assignment... maybe you'd pull this as an extra duty once a month or so on a larger ship. The crew on-duty would signal this guy when they needed to hit the head, or to take a meal break, and he'd go out and cover for them while they did that. This, remember, is in addition to this officer's normal duties, but would be an opportunity to learn the operation of bridge stations and ship's operational procedures. It would be like having a night class once or twice a month, basically.
Now, at higher levels of alert, you'd have more "reserve crewmembers" there... maybe two at yellow alert and four at red alert? The idea being that if someone is injured or killed by their console exploding in their face (as happens often enough, huh?) there's be someone there to try to take over (assuming the console still worked after exploding, which seems to be the case in Treknology!). Or to put out fires, or to take care of wounded, or whatever.
This little room would have a few workstations (not dedicated, but rather to allow whoever is on the additional duty in there to do something to pass the time, hopefully something useful like studying technical manuals!), plus a food replicator and a head.
It's so obvious, it seems like a total no-brainer to me.
It rather amazes me that we're finding any fault in the subject matter of this thread. I mean, in one episode, two people come out of the place that's supposed to be the bridge head, and people start crying "It's impossible, nobody could ever have been in that room!".
Why? Does Starfleet have some regulation that bans people from using the head? Is it impossible that two people might be there at timepoint T when the red alert klaxon goes off?
Timo Saloniemi
Why? Does Starfleet have some regulation that bans people from using the head? Is it impossible that two people might be there at timepoint T when the red alert klaxon goes off?
Timo Saloniemi
If only they were hastily adjusting their uniforms as they stepped out, this whole discussion could have been avoided...
If only they were hastily adjusting their uniforms as they stepped out, this whole discussion could have been avoided...
I imagine appearing out of the toilet with a crew member off opposite gender (or the same, heck its one big happy fleet) while hastily adjusting your dress in front of the Captain and Ex-O might be a bad career move...maybe?
I remember reading very early on - when the series had first debuted - that room was meant to be the bathroom. On TOS the never had any obvious bathroom doors that that anyone could see, I think I heard that they weren't allowed them for silly network decency reasons - either way, it's been something fans had brought up for ages - so that when the buit the sets for TNG, they made sure hey put in doors for the "head".
And I don't doubt that it's unisex - and likely multispecies as well!
But still, a bridge crew rest/break area or "crew ready room" actually makes a lot of sense. Even more than a captian's ready room does actually, since his room would get much less use.
And I don't doubt that it's unisex - and likely multispecies as well!
But still, a bridge crew rest/break area or "crew ready room" actually makes a lot of sense. Even more than a captian's ready room does actually, since his room would get much less use.
Almost all warships have a Captain's ready room, day cabin or similar very near the bridge in case he is needed. In battles the Captain will always need to be available in case of action but still needs to rest. Most of the other officers can rotate back to their quarters. It is after all the Captain's bridge.
Quite possibly. Although humans in the 24th century still seem to have a very strong nudity taboo, so they might have hangups about unisex urination, too.
And it is hardly indication of a unisex lavatory that two people of different genders step out of the door. Many toilets are arranged like that: a single door for entering a common area with washbasins and a mirror, then a further door or two to the gender-segregates areas where the actual toilet stalls are. The more cramped the confines, the more resources are shared, but gender separation can still be maintained at stall level if there's a social pressure to do so.
Timo Saloniemi
There is a Jeffries Tube there. Just watched Timescape and Picard say "we'll use the Jeffries' Tubes" and they go in that direction.
Yeah, but Roddenberry I imagine, saw a future with far less taboos and social restrictions as now - in the TMP novelization he mentioned human group marriages, and in a first season TNG episode Troi said to her mother, about marriage "Humans no longer own each other that way", and early on in TNG we even saw a few men wearing the skirt-like uniforms. But later on Trek seemed to show humans that were just as hung-up about sex and stuff as they are now, with completely conventional marriages, and I couldn't see any of the male cast on Voyager or DS9 *ever* wearing a skirt!
And I myself have used unisex bathrooms in Europe, and it didn't bother me after the innitial "Wha...oh, huh. (*shrug*)" so I kinda always imagined that "enlightened" 24th century humans would have no issue with unisex showers & toilets. (Though I was first exposed to that concept or unisex facilities when as a kid, and I read about a never realized pilot idea for a Trek-like show - I think by a Trek writer of something, in which the ships showers were unisex...and this was long before Starship Troopers or nuBSG. And right then the idea seemed kinda a logical social change.)
But yeah, I could see seperate stalls within the "head" that allowed individual privacy, and maybe even were sound and smell proof, so that unlike in todays multi-person public toilets, you don't have to be bothered by the person next to you making weird noises and nastly smells!
And so you wouldn't have to do your business in front of anyone, whatever sex. Each stall would be like it's own little bathroom. But I imagine the sinks are stuff were in a common area shared by everyone, so in a sense "unisex".
In fact, I would almost expect that. So yeah, quite possibily individual privacy stalls within the common bathroom area.
I mean, if you have completly seperate "male" and "female" rooms, with their own doors, what does the alien that has *no* sex, or three sexes, or is hermaphrodic going to use?!?1?!
Huh, I didn't know that! Just assumed it was a Trek thing!
Still, a small break room/"crew readiness area" makes a lot of sense to me - on any vessel, sea or space going. And especially for a starship crew that has to pull long watches the bridge. And fill it with a few extra people who can rotate with various bridge officers and give them a break.
Put in some chairs, a replicator, a small cot (like the ones on the Defiant) and some way to moniter the bridge activity.
And then the bathroom could be accessable through that.
Yep, I could see that being at, say, the far wall in the head.
Because on the set, that room door was labeled "head". But no reason there also couldn't be Jeffries tube access through there as well.
They would need a way to get off the bridge if the turbolifts broke down or something.
ETA: The layout for the Enterprise-E bridge doesn't show a door for a head - maybe it's accessable from the "observation lounge"/briefing room??? http://www.ussgladiator.org/gallery/bridge.jpg I'll bet Voyager's bridge didn't have on either...
